My gut feeling is that if this were a truly viable and real system, they wouldn't need suggestions on how to verify it. Good science operates in the open.
Also, does anyone have a source for the report that Defkalion is selling franchises? All I can find right now are blogs and discussion boards mentioning it, nothing official. I hope I'm not muddling any facts.
The lack of openness is starting to get to me.
My guess is that the ‘secrecy’ is because the ‘technology’ is so simple and could be built in anybodies’ garage with off-the-shelf- parts. The Chinese are going to steal it, that’s a given. The rest of the world will makes them on their own using whatever scheme they can to copy it. The Rossi Group wants to make as much money as they possibly can as fast as they can before the design gets viral on the internet and every redneck on earth has one in their back yard.................
Why not just wait until the thing is unveiled? It will either “fly” or it will not. What is 40 million Euros to a person with the money to spend? I know I know, it is their own money, and if they fork it over without absolutely KNOWING what they are buying, it is their problem.
There have been lots of scams where even ordinary goods were promised for upfront money, only to have the schemers abscond with the funds before anything was delivered.
I’ve been following this story from a strictly non-scientific prospective (I’m an Accountant, and only took 1 college level course in general chemistry). All I can say is if this guy is a con-artist he must be a dang good one to have to have fooled governments, companies, and many in the scientific establishment and to what end? He must surely know that if this turns out be a fraud, he’s going to be run out of town on a rail and probably end up in the big house for fraud if he accepts all this money on something he knows does not work.
It hardly will do for Rossi to point to a black box and say there's eleven different herbs and spices in there doing things no one can really understand or explain. For forty million bucks I'd want to not only look at the horse's mouth but use a proctoscope on him.
Rossi or anyone else could watch the tests but without interference.
David Copperfield, the illusionist, could fool Nobel winners as easily as he does the rest of us.
I'm sure that each of these franchises also contains a royalty/fee per unit sold in addition to the $40MM.
Where is the benefit TO Rossi to explain in detail and permit all these examinations. Either it works as he says or it doesn’t. We’ll all find out in October.
You sure are pumping this crap day in and day out, and when there is no press release you make your own. Get a life, wait for real news, and stop being this guy’s sychophant.
Wouldn't it be easy to verify it was a fake by the amount of power it was drawing off the grid?
Rossi just needs to invite guys like Jed Rothwell, who is smart enough to bring his own instruments. Krivit wasn’t.
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Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3
Jed Rothwell
Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:30:44 -0700
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Oh, I see, only about Krivit’s test. But I thought you’d like to go visit Rossi even before that test.
Let me explain, briefly. Rossi invited me for a demonstration. We discussed what it would consist of. I suggested he use a shorter hose and a bucket to sparge the steam. I made a number of other suggestions and I said I would bring my own instruments to confirm the measurements. He said that would not be acceptable; he would only do the kind of demonstration he showed to Lewan, using his own instruments. I concluded there is no point to seeing that. It is inconclusive. It proves nothing. I am not going to spend airfare and time to see a mere impressionistic proof-of-principle demonstration. So I said “no thank you” and we called off the trip, with no hard feelings on either side. I fully agree that Rossi is under no obligation to do the kinds of testing that would satisfy me. However, I advised him that it would be a good idea and it would benefit him as well as the public. I still think it would. He disagrees.
At about that same time, Rossi was also taking to Krivit. I had no knowledge of this. I have no idea what he told Krivit beforehand, or what Krivit expected to see. Rossi ended up showing him what he described to me. If Rossi did explain to Krivit beforehand what he was going to do, then Krivit and his friends might have written these “Rossi #3” reports without going anywhere. I could have written the reports for them. I can summarize them in a three points:
1. These results are inconclusive.
2. It is not known whether Rossi put the reservoir on a weight scale in this demonstration, or if he did, whether Krivit observed this and wrote down the weight before and after. If this was not done then these results are so inconclusive they are meaningless.
3. It appears these instruments are owned by Rossi. You cannot do a valid verification of a claim with only the claimant’s own instruments. That’s absurd.
Expanding on #3, you have to use your own to confirm that the claimant’s instruments are working right. Getting on an airplane to go see something like this, and not packing your own instruments is a stupid, pointless waste of time. I have no idea whether Krivit brought his own instruments, or if he was allowed to use them, but if he did not he is a fool.
When I was preparing to visit the Patterson demonstration at Disneyland, we discussed the matter beforehand. They agreed to let me bring my own instruments. I would not have gone otherwise. When I arrived, they changed their minds. Reding said “you can look but no touching and no measuring with your own instruments.” I said, “in that case I will leave this hotel now without seeing anything, and I will tell everyone that you reneged on your agreement and wasted my airfare and my time.” He thought about it for a while and then said “okay, you can use your instruments after all.” I did, and discovered that in the second test it was not working, so it is a good thing I checked. They fixed that problem.
My instruments were crude. Patterson’s were nothing to write home about either. I do not understand why people go to all the trouble to do these experiments using cheap, low precision instruments. I use low-precision ones such as red-liquid thermometers myself because my only purpose is to confirm the high-precision ones on site. I am not doing the whole experiment. I am just doing a reality check.
Nowadays they have wonderfully precise and cheap power meters, thermocouples and computers so there is no excuse for not bringing your own stuff. I’ll bet the $20 Radio Shack Kill-A-Watt meter is better than a $1,000 model was 15 years ago. You can’t use it in Europe, but you can get something similar.
You do not need to bring your own weight scale, by the way. Just test the one on site with a liter bottle of water.
- Jed