Posted on 07/29/2011 5:51:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker
IDC and Strategy Analytics today officially confirmed what was unofficially revealed last week: Apple has ousted Nokia as the largest smartphone maker in the world. The company sold 20.3 million iPhones last quarter, up 142 percent from the same quarter a year earlier, and according to Strategy Analytics that gives it an 18.5 percent share of the worldwide smartphone market — greater than Nokia’s 15.2 percent share, which has fallen by more than half since last year.
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HTC phones named in Apple's design patent lawsuit:
Your image is like the data in the article that included the Chinese non-Android OS data to inflate the Android numbers... Cherry picked to make your point. You showed a minority model of an HTC phone, one they sell very few of, when the majority of their phones are more of the above styles, copied after the iPhone look and feel.
Again, can you point me to the list of "Android apps" that you must run so your install of Android is, in fact, an "real" Android install?
As far as OMS and TAPAS, they are in fact Android based OSes. I guess we could claim that OSX is not a BSD OS as well, since it's been forked by Apple? Is the root of your complaint that OMS and TAPAS are forks of Android? And as such they are no longer Android?
I guess every fork of Linux is no longer Linux...
And we can say that iOS on iTouch and iPad devices is not iOS, since they do not support the iOS dialer. Or that iPhones are not iOS since they include a dialer. Different feature sets of the same OS means they are not the same OS.
Furthermore, even dropping OMS and TAPAS, and the iPhone/iOS numbers show smaller market share: Global Android smartphone shipments topped Nokia Symbian-based handsets -- 32.9 million to 31 million, respectively -- or twice iPhone (16.2 million). By another accounting, including OMS and Tapas platforms, Google ranked higher still: 33.3 million units
So at most OMS and Tapas added 2.3 million deployments - not nearly enough to explain the massive lead in shipments for Android.
The facts are pretty much irrefutable, and no one credible still clings to iOS shipments outpacing Android. Android's been out-shipping and out-selling iOS for several quarters now, and is only accelerating. The facts show it, all reputable sources and tracking firms show it and acknowledge it, and every reliable resource agrees. The data is there - it's hard to deny.
It was claimed that "the HTC is a clone of the iPhone" - so show me where this is the case, please. Or you can keep trying to change the argument to something different, just so you can try to spin as you desire.
Moving goalposts and changing the subject are actions that Democrats and liberals do when they're shown to be wrong - I thought conservatives were better than that...
Oh, and the HTC Touch Pro2? That’s not even an Android device - it’s Windows Mobile! Really Swordmaker, you’re just grasping at straws for some bizarre reason...
A Windows Mobile phone with sliding keyboard as proof the HTC Android phones are clones of the iPhone. Seriously? Way over-reaching on that one...
*snort* Those phones looks nothing like an iPhone. LOL!
Oh no - we’re being told they are clones of the iPhone. Clearly your eyes (i’s?) are defective! And everyone KNOWS that Windows Mobile with HTC TouchFLO (introduced and for sale before the iPhone) is a direct rip-off from iOS!
“The next few quarters will see Apple, Samsung and HTC battling it out for the biggest smartphone vendor out there.”
What it will not show, is the fight to have the most and best smartphone apps. Apple has so far won that battle, decisively.
I believe that, among other things, will continue to propel Apple to massive earnings, top consumer satisfaction ratings (as it already has), and continued domination over the inferior offerings of its competitors. The halo effect from iPod Touch and iPad should not be underestimated either. :-)
“Android’s been out-shipping and out-selling iOS for several quarters now, and is only accelerating. The facts show it, all reputable sources and tracking firms show it and acknowledge it, and every reliable resource agrees.”
That may well be true. Chrysler no doubt outsells BMW as well. Which would you rather drive, and which stock would you rather own?
I think you’re missing the heart of the issue.
What would that heart be? I’ve been told quite vociferously in this very thread that Apple’s sales market share is what matters - in fact, that is what this very thread is about!
Is it now about something else? When (not if) Apple is replaced as king-of-the-hill in terms of smartphone market share (probably by Samsung, and as early as this month, given the growth rates of the two companies), will it now be something else that matters?
Android has a bigger market share than iOS. Samsung - barring some massive, unforeseeable disaster to South Korea - will take the smartphone crown from Apple. This thread started as an homage to Apple’s first rise to the top of the smartphone maker volume list.
Is that not the heart of the issue?
‘There is actually quite a bit of data that suggests the Android Market will surpass Apple’s AppStore in size, this year. That would give Android the most apps; and since most of the “best” apps for iPhone exist on Android as well, that would be a push.’
Shallow analysis, and incorrect. Quantity (as I pointed out above) absolutely does not equal quality.
You should look into the complaints from Android developers that the lack of a consistent hardware specification has hurt the user experience in many cases.
You may love or hate Apple, but that fault is not an issue with the iPlatform. :-)
(PS you get honorary points for the nearest to a realtime conversation I’ve had yet on FR.) lol
“Android has a bigger market share than iOS. Samsung - barring some massive, unforeseeable disaster to South Korea - will take the smartphone crown from Apple. This thread started as an homage to Apple’s first rise to the top of the smartphone maker volume list.
Is that not the heart of the issue?”
No, it is not “the heart of the issue”. Apple reaching the top in unit sales is unbelievably amazing. It’s like Mercedes or BMW reaching the top in unit car sales.
Apple does not need to retain top spot in unit sales, any more than Ruth’s Chris Steak House needs to sell more meals than McDonald’s.
They are two different business models, both highly profitable.
Apple’s business model has been successful enough that it is now the #2 company in market cap on the US stock exchanges behind Exxon...and it’s not that far behind.
Hmmm... Can you point me to which "quality" app is available on the iPhone that is not available on an Android Smartphone?
Quantity - I think we can agree - is a given. They're about the same (which is to say, probably 5 times as big as needed).
You should look into the complaints from Android developers that the lack of a consistent hardware specification has hurt the user experience in many cases.
Sure! You'll hear the same in the PC world as well, since platforms are even more diverse...
Of course, you also hear complaints in the iOS developer world about the lock-down, the unilateral rejections, and the lack of support tools, too. It's not just Android devs that whine - iOS devs whine as well. In fact, being a software programmer myself, you'll find it a universal truth that ALL devs like to whine...;)
So basically this thread is pointless. I see... Since sales volume is not the heart of the issue, it's not what matters, then this report - this entire thread - is irrelevant.
I'll tune out then... But I'd still love someone to tell me which HTC phone is a clone of the iPhone! Or maybe I should just chalk that up to the general lack of knowledge on the part of most iPhone fans, and their inability to learn about the rest of the market...;)
Sweet, eh?
“But I’d still love someone to tell me which HTC phone is a clone of the iPhone!”
The judge will do that, just hold your horses. ;-)
Sure, one example is Ballistic, the JBM Ballistics Calculator.
I'm sure there are thousands more, given the disparity between the Apple App Store and the Android offerings.
Better yet, Apple is doing a much better job protecting its users from malware. :-)
"Of course, you also hear complaints in the iOS developer world about the lock-down, the unilateral rejections, and the lack of support tools, too. It's not just Android devs that whine - iOS devs whine as well. In fact, being a software programmer myself, you'll find it a universal truth that ALL devs like to whine...;)"
It's not about "whining", it's about which platform receives the most support, and which platform benefits the developers the most.
So far, the result has been in Apple's favor.
Actually, he won't since HTC is not being sued for anything relating to cloning the iPhone, or even using trade dress. The original poster was wrong, Swordmaker is wrong, and no one wants to admit it.
It's really easy to say "I'm sorry, I was mistaken - it wasn't HTC", but I guess that's not an option for Apple fans? ;)
Sure, one example is Ballistic, the JBM Ballistics Calculator.
I give you Shooter for Android. Seems to be about the same thing.
It's not about "whining", it's about which platform receives the most support, and which platform benefits the developers the most.
If it's support, that would be WinPhone 7 hands-down. Microsoft knows how to appease developers, and developer happiness and support for WinPhone 7 is way beyond anything for iOS or Android (for example, reaching 25,000 apps much faster than iOS or Android ever did).
If it's about revenues, Rovio and more business-focused developers have learned - it's not about selling the app, it's about selling things IN the app. Angry Birds makes more money as a free app on Android than as a paid-for app on iOS - because of in-game ads. And the in-app market is exploding - that's where money is being made. In fact, it appears that developers are making as much on Android as they are on iOS.
And that in-app market? Google lets the developer keep 95% of the sales. THAT is where the money will be made - in-app ad revenue, in-app sales, and letting the developer keep almost all of it (compared to the 70% you get with Apple).
Equal revenues now, a faster growing share of those revenues, and you get to keep more of the revenues as well - that's attractive from a business standpoint, right?
Sure. One minor problem though: Apple sues HTC for infringing 20 iPhone patents.
"I give you Shooter for Android. Seems to be about the same thing."
LOL. "About the same thing". Sounds like Android in general.
That said, take a look at this quote: "Shooter's calculations normally match JBM's numbers within round-off error (0.1" at 1000 yards)."
First of all, that says it all as far as which product is the gold standard.
Secondly "normally match"? Which do you think you should go with when the shot really counts? LOL
"If it's support, that would be WinPhone 7 hands-down."
That's great, let me know when WP7 breaks 1% marketshare.
In the meantime, I need to get some sleep. ;-)
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