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Ancient stones a mystery for archeologists, scientists [ Los Lunas Decalogue ]
Your Houston News ^ | Monday, June 27, 2011 | op-ed

Posted on 06/28/2011 6:07:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

...if they had the means to explore various parts of Europe and Asia by boat, then they certainly had the means to cross the seas to the Americas.

One such item of interest is a large stone that was found in a dry creek bed in New Mexico. This stone discovered by early explorers contains the entire Ten Commandments written in Ancient Hebrew script. Today, this large stone still lies where it was originally found in the early 1800's on the side of Hidden Mountain near Los Lunas, New Mexico, about thirty-five miles south of Albuquerque.

Scholars who have studied the stone say it pre-dates the arrival of Columbus to America.

How did this large stone with the Ten Commandments written in Ancient Hebrew come to be in North America? No one has an answer.

Another item that shows strong evidence of the possibility of Hebrews in America is noted in a custom celebrated by the Yuchi Indians in Oklahoma.

The Yuchis originally migrated from the Bahamas to Florida and Georgia and then later to the Oklahoma territory.

(Excerpt) Read more at yourhoustonnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: decalogue; godsgravesglyphs; loslunas; tencommandments
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To: Godzilla
Uh huh, sure.   ;-p
101 posted on 06/29/2011 9:48:11 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: TheOldLady; SunkenCiv
You're certainly taking a beating on this thread.

That's what's really good about this thread. I mean the way people just turn on you in a heartbeat. ;-)

102 posted on 06/29/2011 1:04:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv
Eek! NO! I wasn't laughing at his being beaten up. I love and respect Civ. A LOT.

I was laughing at how ignorant his critics are about him.

Thanks for riding your white charger to the rescue, though. :-)

103 posted on 06/29/2011 1:22:44 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Ditter

A simple reason ~ you didn’t follow the route of the Santa Fe Trail ~ it’s located along the rivers ~ this is above the flood path (if there ever is one) just like surveyors might have placed a stone marker.


104 posted on 06/29/2011 4:20:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TheOldLady; decimon; SunkenCiv
Frankly I never accept at face value any claim that something has anything to do with Mormonism until i see Hugh Nibley's name on it. Having read a great deal of his material let me say this about that ~ he tends to be inconclusive on the darndest things!

Here's the only way to think about some mysterious rock in the middle of no where with misspelled Hebraic inscriptions ~

(1) That you are in Israel, Jordan or Syria., or (2) Why is there only one of these things around?

Every now and then somebody finds something stored in the Prado in Madrid. I'd look there ~ this was a piece of Spain for 300 years!

105 posted on 06/29/2011 4:30:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

If you mean have I hiked the entire Santa Fe Trail, no I haven’t but I have been on many different parts of the trail. Also I have visited many fabulous Indian sites, both inhabited and abandoned in NM. I have never even seen a sign or marker or indication on a NM map about this stone.

My next trip to NM I am going to look this up!


106 posted on 06/29/2011 4:44:37 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
It looks like it's not all that far out of town, and right over the stone basin of a wadi.

If it's a boundary marker of some sort it's in the right place, and it's certainly unique (a necessity in later years when there is a need to find the various baselines).

If it's something a Mormon carved, then why did he stop with one? And, where are the other Spanish boundary and survey markers in the region? What do they look like?

107 posted on 06/29/2011 4:48:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
M, the Santa Fe Trail terminated in Santa Fe. I believe you are thinking of the Camino Real, which went from north of Santa Fe all the way to Mexico City. Los Lunas is on that road.
108 posted on 06/29/2011 4:49:41 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: TheOldLady; SunkenCiv; decimon
This really turned into an "interesting" thread, eh?

I did a little googling and several sources confirm that the stone has been cleaned, so no chance of examining a patina. It's so heavy it can't be moved to a museum.

109 posted on 06/29/2011 4:53:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
May be. I'm sure there are a multiplicity of local and regional names for old roads with a better known generalized name.

Give you an example, Indiana 67 is also Pendleton Pike and Massachusetts Avenue and it almost turned into Interstate 69.

Maria Hilferstrasse used to be something like City Wall and then RIng Road.

110 posted on 06/29/2011 4:53:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: colorado tanker
BTW, go to any "history of Santa Fe" site. The founding of the first EUROPEAN settlement there is 1598. That's the oldest date for any of my Scandinavian or French ancestors ~ a big year in Spanish history.

Philippe II died ~ and a bunch of his relatives died ~ and there was a period of peace where European adventurers and investors could DO STUFF in America.

Philippe III forced a settlement on all the other serious European colonial powers in 1604, but the outlines were known since before the first Spanish armada sailed against England.

The Western leg of the Spanish baseline across the continent on the Southern Route (now US 50) may have been initiated from Santa Fe ~ and somebody asked last night why there would be educated people in that desolate wilderness. I guess 'cause they were probably assigned duty at Santa Fe!

Sorry i didn't look up Santa Fe last night but I was looking at Las Lunas.

111 posted on 06/29/2011 5:03:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I looked at a map too and I have been down that highway but not in the last few years. Maybe there is a marker on the highway now to tell you where it is located.


112 posted on 06/29/2011 6:28:57 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: muawiyah; SunkenCiv; All

I tried to find this script in Gloria Farley’s book In Plain Sight: Olde World Records in Ancient America. I looked especially in the back where a number of ancient scripts, particularly from Dr. Barry Fell are shown. The most similarity was to Iberian alphabets, but even there, only a few elements were the same. There was no similarity to Aramaic or Phoenician script. Nor was there to north African scripts, Celtic or Rune scripts. A repeated element on the stone was a V lying on its side with a slash running across it. I did not see that anywhere.


113 posted on 06/30/2011 12:58:27 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: colorado tanker

“Interesting” is one way to put it. :’)

Before I posted the topic, I’d gotten a FReepmail from one of the pro-Mormon zealots from my anti-Christian cadre dedicated to the election of Mitt Romney and revival of The Dry Look from Gillette (that’s a series of jokes in there, everyone, so don’t write in, okay? But it’s a fact that the wet head is dead, learn to live with it) with some photo links to the stone, one of which lead to this thorough discussion of it:

The Los Lunas Decalogue Stone
Maintained and written by J. Huston McCulloch
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.html


114 posted on 06/30/2011 3:15:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: gleeaikin
Up until the creation of the first alphabet type system of writing just a few thousand years ago writing took place using ideographs or pictographs. Those older systems are, of course, still in play.

Barry Fell, et al, were always looking for alphabetic systems imagining that it'd have to be Mediterranean people who managed to get to the Americas by boat.

On the other hand, there was an ideographic/pictographic system in North America that was exceedingly widespread and almost totally ignored. It's called North American Indian Sign Language. Many of the ideographs you form (using your body ~ arms ~ face ~ legs ~ hands) are remarkably similar to old Shan Dynasty ideographs.

I think that gives a date to that system and its underlying linguistic components.

I took my Sign Language book with me to an exhibit at the Smithsonian some time back of a number of Shan "documents". Before the internet it was difficult to get access to these things but I guessed i'd want to have my book with me to see if, perhaps, there were characters in common.

Yup, there were characters in common. I stood there with a group of Chinese who'd come to the museum to see these ancient heritage pieces and read to them what was on the pieces on display ~ using my book. They all wanted to get that book!

I have two theories about this ~ that at some time in the past 7 millenia Shan users/writers came to America or that both fundamental systems are based on "natural structures and processes" and those are the same wherever you go.

Problem with that latter theory is you'd need to explain why that never occurred to anyone else.

BTW, when the Shan civilization/dynasty fell and people fled, they may have made it to America. More recently they've found all sorts of Austronesians, Polynesians, and Europeans who made it to America THOUSANDS of years ago, or as recently as the 1100s, 1200s, 1300s, etc.

They simply didn't go home, nor did they leave many records. After all, what were they going to say? "Hey, mom, I'm lost, send daddy" perhaps.

Except for the cocaine salesmen who seem to have traveled from the Americas to visit ancient Egypt, there's very little to even indicate Mediterranean civilization was interested in going to places with inferior weather.

115 posted on 06/30/2011 6:03:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TheOldLady; All

More info and commentary on the stone:

http://www.badarchaeology.net/forgotten/los_lunas.php

http://www.badarchaeology.net/forgotten/mormonism.php


116 posted on 06/30/2011 7:46:53 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nice. Thanks.


117 posted on 06/30/2011 8:14:05 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Godzilla

Thanks. Very interesting.

You’re a good guy. ;-)


118 posted on 06/30/2011 8:22:40 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: muawiyah; SunkenCiv; All

“They did not leave many records.” If that is what you think, then you really need to see Gloria Farley’s book.


119 posted on 06/30/2011 11:25:23 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
I've looked around for the libraries filled with shelves of books ~ and that didn't happen.

Anything short of a million pages is simply not a 'record" worth worrying about.

120 posted on 06/30/2011 11:33:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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