[Blood of Tyrants]

I hate the way the companies bow to the envirowhackos so here is a way to get around the morons.

[mountainlion]

I hear that NIOSH has banned the new Diesel engines for underground work and confined spaces. Nice work EPA/s/s

[almost done by half]

Why does the TSP box say it should NOT be used on glass or come in contact with glass??? It also says it turns aluminum containers dark as well.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Just go to the cleaner section of your local hardware store and look for Trisodium Phosphate. Home Depot and Lowes both carry it.

And how much longer do you think the EPA will allow that?

The imperial government must be obeyed, or peasants must die.

[Drango]

I was considering this...but on the side of the TSP package it said to avoid using on glass??

Just use in a low concentration???

[andy58-in-nh]

We’ve been using TSP (the real stuff) as an additive in our dishwasher and washing machine for about a month now. It makes a huge difference. Our dishwasher, which had begun to accumulate a black (and as I recently discovered, potentially dangerous) mold is now spotless. The dishes squeak again when you rub your fingers on them, and our white towels are once again, white.

[Red6]

I stayed in a hotel that charged $200 a night in DC. For the “environment” they didn't change out the sheets daily unless you request it. “For the environment.” lol

These environmental scams are only possible because you have people too ignorant to know better, lacking any REAL critical thinking skills and devoid of morals, looking for a purpose to latch onto to make a difference. Environmentalism and all the scams surrounding it is how the liberal/secularist tithes.

[USMCPOP]

TSP isn’t the best, as it can leave a residue. The stuff for detergent is Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP). It can be ourchased from a number of suppliers like soapgoods.com or http://www.chemistrystore.com/cart.cgi?group=100513&child=100614

[LonePalm]

Where do I go to get dish washing liquid with phosphates in it?

All the crap I find in the store is PF.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[truthkeeper]

Mix the TSP right in your dishwasher detergent. You can get it at Home Depot in the paint department.

Another good additive is Lemi-Shine. Get it at Von's or Walmart. Finally, occasionally I toss a couple of cups of plain white vinegar in the bottom of the dishwasher, and a half-cup of CLR.

If I didn't do all of this my dishes and glasses would be white, cloudy, and gross. I prefer CLEAN dishes.

[bboop]

I tried TSP and it was ok. Then I read you could put 1/2 cup vinegar + 1/2 cup water in a coffee mug in the back corner and run it as you always do. It takes the soap film off and makes the glassware sparkle. Even easier to set up.

[jonrick46]

The poor dish-washing performance also uses more energy and water. When Cascade made their complete dishwasher soap with the phosphate, we very rarely prewashed our dishes. My son was so lazy about it he threw dishes in with corn and mashed potatoes stuck to the plates. Even so, they came out spotless. Now we have to prewash which uses more hot water and more energy. Chalk one more up for the environweenies. To them I give the all time Anthony Wiener Award.

[wintertime]

Home Depot and Lowes both carry it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not our Lowes or Home Depot! We order ours from an Internet company. ( Sorry...my husband gets it and I don’t know the company name. )

[deadsteve]

I use about 1 tablespoon in with my clothes.
Be careful it may bleach dark colors.

[TennesseeGirl]

I thought my old dishwasher was needing repaired or replaced, lol. Thanks for the tip. (Geez, I wish the government would butt out of my household — cleaning products, paint, toilets, bathtubs, lightbulbs, insecticides...GRRRRR!)

[flyingtabby]

You want STPP not TSP - Sodium tripolyphosphate. From the Chemical Store, online. TSP is NOT as effective and can be damaging. Interestingly I was called by Fox News a few months ago about this because I had posted on their site about it. However, they never ran the story. They had been asking in a poll about it and I posted the answer to use STPP and they told me many others are doing the same. The real kicker is that hotels and restaurants are REQUIRED to use phosphates and they are far bigger users of the detergents than all households combined. Damn this government to HELL! And DAMN the EPA!!!

[Ro_Thunder]

One thing I’ve started doing is putting a squirt of Palmolive had dish soap in the closed door section of the dishwasher, as well as the Cascade/Finish/whatever powder, and it seems to work just fine, phosphates or no.

[verum ago]

The phosphates in detergent do NOT cause the algae to bloom because the algae can't break down the trisodium phosphates.

They don't need to break down an orthophosphate like trisodium phosphate. The basic phosphorus containing unit in every living thing is orthophosphate (PO₄^3-). Trisodium phosphate dissolves to directly give the orthophosphate anion.

I think you're thinking of sodium tripolyphosphate (also called sodium triphosphate sometimes). I don't know if algae can break it down directly, but they don't need to. It breaks down on its own over a matter of hours in solution.

Both trisodium phosphate and sodium triphosphate really do encourage algal growth where phosphate is a limiting nutrient because they both result in highly bioavailable phosphate. Please note, however, that I am not endorsing the Greens' stance of banning highly effective phosphate based cleaners from use.

Most of the studies on free phosphate concentration have until recently used methods which overestimate its concentration grossly (we're talking overestimation by entire orders of magnitude). In other words, yeah the stuff can cause problems in sufficient concentration, but the prevalence of such concentrations has historically been vastly overestimated. Of course, since letting the truth get out would damage their arguments and reputations, the Greens have knowingly stuck to outdated information to advance their anti-civilization/progress agenda. Never underestimate their ability to distort the truth or lie convincingly. Bastards.

[tall_tex]

Ping

[ChildOfThe60s]

bttt

[CPT Clay]

Bump, Thanks