Lamh Foistenach Abu!
Posted on 06/08/2011 5:34:56 PM PDT by PROCON
The Army Times reports on this inter-service squabble:
“The Army in coming weeks will select its top camouflage contenders to cover your next combat uniform. A leading choice is the Marine Corps’ MARPAT.
But although the outgoing top enlisted Marine says you can’t use it, the Army general who launched the effort begs to differ.
(Excerpt) Read more at bigpeace.com ...
I’m here.....and was there but not that many would have known. VQ-1 DaNang. Navy and Marines flew on our flight crew...launched before Army rolled out of their sacks and recovered at their bedtime.
Lamh Foistenach Abu!
I've read most, if not all, the various takes of WWII history by the Brits, Canadians, Americans, Germans, etc.. The only Allied general to display the kind of moxie the Marines displayed in combat was George Patton and his 3rd Army. If Patton had not been reigned in by Eisenhower and Bradley he would have achieved what the Marines would have accomplished in Europe ... victory by Xmas 1944.
Whatever!
I guess your not a team player; you know, TEAM USA?
Have a great night.
Hah!
Get used to disappointment!
The tides will turn this year; I guess I'll start saving up for the BIG BET.
The anchor clankers are getting big heads....
As someone once said: “Pride goeth before a fall”.
Of course at liberty call it was Dress Blues or Whites, depending on the season and location.
US Navy 63-67
SFP2 (DV)
USS PIEDMONT (AD-17)
MultiCam has only been issued to units in Afghanistan. I was suggesting that rather than bickering with the USMC oveer rights to the MARPAT, the Army should just adopt MultiCam as it’s duty uniform across the boards.
What a pantload. *If* MARPAT provides the best camouflage, then it should be used by an service that wants to use it.
I agree, mostly. MarPat is also available (and issued) without the EGA for Navy support and other personnel who must wear a similar uniform in theater.
A bit of history. The Army was the first service with digital camo, going back to the late 70s/early 80s with experimental digital camo for tanks with the 11th ACR. When the Canadians needed digital camo, they came to the US Army. When two Marine snipers were tasked with the new USMC uniform prototype needed a uniform and pattern, they went to the US Army Soldier Support Center in Natick, Maryland. It was the US Army that took the USMC Snipers specs, along with SOCOM alterations, and created the current MARPAT uniform.
The Marines are proud of their uniform and went a long way to making it THE uniform of the USMC. The Army fucked up and went with ACPAT. They should leave the USMC to their pattern and go with MultiCam or develop something better.
And, I say this as a proud former soldier in the United States Army, the United States’ OLDEST military branch.
The Navy really screwed the pooch with their new Navy Working Uniform — who in their right mind uses blue gray, dark and light gray, and black? What kind of background does THAT blend with?
The people on the program had selected MultiCam, but that was a pattern that was already developed by Crye Industries and was already out on the market.
The Sergeant Major of The Army, IIRC, wanted something “unique” to The Army, along the lines of the proprietary USMC MARPAT, so he overruled the people who spend all that time doing research.
And they say officers fudge things up ;)
Why would The Navy want a uniforms that blends in with THE OCEAN?
BTTT
So why did the USMC require so much assistance from The Army in the Pacific?
The US Army was there for almost every major battle, while also conducting operations in Burma, et al. The USMC only finished 2 major battles and had to have The Army come in and finish the rest.
Not to mention that that My Army had to finish its war in Europe and then gear up to FINISH the war in the Pacific. But, we always remember to thank the USMC for keeping our seat warm for us ;)
Meanwhile, back in the early days of camo:
A long time ago, the British and French were at War. During one battle, the French captured an English major. They took the major to their headquarters and a French general began to question him.
The French general asked ‘why do you English officers all wear red coats? Don’t you know the red material makes you easy targets for us to shoot?’.
In his bland English way, the major informed the general that the reason English officers wear red coats is so that if they are shot, the blood won’t show and the men they are leading won’t panic.
And that is why from that day to now, all French army officers wear brown pants.
Unfortunately, the Navy's new working uniform doesn't blend well with anything. At a distance, the colors look like a very dark blue-gray to black.
Navy ships are Haze Gray and the new digi-camo sticks out like a smashed thumb against all that gray-painted steel or aluminum.
If the Navy wanted the uniforms to blend-in, they should have used two different grays, a little blue gray, and very little black. As is, the new uniform sucks worse than the ACU does for the Army. The ultimate insult: the USN loads it down with all sorts of gaudy bright work. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Old squid here. We're just watching our interservice girlfriends fight over wearing the same dress to the prom. :-)
Now, you'd never see a sailor fighting about camouflage. Who would be silly enough to think that camouflage was in any way appropriate aboard a ship? Who would be enough of a moron to design camo for sailors? Who would be STUPID enough to...oh, wait. Navy camouflage. Never mind.
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