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Conquistador Silver May Not Have Sunk Spain's Currency
ScienceNOW ^ | Thursday, May 26, 2011 | Sara Reardon

Posted on 06/03/2011 8:10:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Between 1520 and 1650, Spain's economy suffered crippling and unrelenting inflation in the so-called Price Revolution. Most historians have attributed that inflation, in part, to the importation, starting in 1550, of silver from the Americas, which supposedly put much more currency into circulation in Spain. But in a report out this week, a team of researchers argues that for more than a century the Spanish did not use this imported silver to make coins, suggesting that the amount of money circulating in Spain did not increase and could not have triggered the inflation... archaeometrist Anne-Marie DeSaulty and colleagues at the University of Lyon in France used mass spectrometry to measure the ratios of several metal isotopes -- atoms of the same element with different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei...

The Latin American coins generally had a broader mix of different silver, lead, and copper isotopes than the European coins, likely because of the geologic complexity of the volcanic caves that hosted the New World's most prolific silver mines, the researchers report online this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The ratio of the silver-109 isotope to silver-107 turned out to be much higher in New World silver than in the European coins. More important to the debate over the Price Revolution, the researchers discovered that coins with dates and heads indicating that they were minted in Spain prior to the reign of Philip V (1700 to 1746) had an isotopic makeup similar to medieval European coins. In contrast, coins minted later were more similar to those from the Andes. That suggests that even though American silver arrived in Spain in 1550, the Spanish waited well over 100 years before using it for their own currency.

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Conquistador Silver May Not Have Sunk Spains Currency

1 posted on 06/03/2011 8:10:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/03/2011 8:11:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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How much gold is there?

In the world there are currently somewhere between 120,000 and 140,000 tonnes of gold ‘above ground’. To visualise this imagine a single solid gold cube with edges of about 19 metres (about three metres short of the length of a tennis court). That’s all that has ever been produced.

Divided amongst the population of the world there are about 23 grams per person, about 1.2 cubic centimetres each. This equates to about $250 - $350 worth per person on Earth, depending on the current price.


3 posted on 06/03/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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4 posted on 06/03/2011 8:13:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

It wasn’t the silver that ruined their economy. It was Universal Conquistador Health Care.


5 posted on 06/03/2011 8:15:37 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Conquistador - Procol Harum

Conquistador your stallion stands
In need of company
And like some angel’s haloed brow
You reek of purity
I see your armour-plated breast
Has long since lost it’s sheen
And in your death mask face
There are no signs which can be seen

And though I hoped for something to find
I could see no maze to unwind

Conquistador a vulture sits
Upon your silver shield
And in your rusty scabbard now
The sand has taken seed
And though your jewel-encrusted blade
Has not been plundered still
The sea has washed across your face
And taken of it’s fill

And though I hoped for something to find
I could see no maze to unwind

Conquistador there is no time
I must pay my respect
And though I came to jeer at you
I leave now with regret
And as the gloom begins to fall
I see there is no, only all
And though you came with sword held high
You did not conquer, only die

And though I hoped for something to find
I could see no maze to unwind


6 posted on 06/03/2011 8:17:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SunkenCiv

The deindustrialization that hurt them. A country that does not produce for its own won’t last. Sound familiar?


7 posted on 06/03/2011 8:18:08 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: SunkenCiv

8 posted on 06/03/2011 8:20:27 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: DonaldC

Imperial Spain tried to build an economy based on Muzzie principles of conquest, enslavement, autocracy, privilege, and slaughter. Spain had never industrialized, so it couldn’t have been hurt by deindustrialization.


9 posted on 06/03/2011 8:26:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: JoeProBono

Looks like one of those velvet paintings, but I like it. :’)


10 posted on 06/03/2011 8:27:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Lurker

Having Al Conquistagore try to seize power didn’t help ‘em any.


11 posted on 06/03/2011 8:29:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: dfwgator

Thanks, I screwed that up, thinkin’ Santana.


12 posted on 06/03/2011 8:30:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
I got one of these last month:


13 posted on 06/03/2011 8:35:45 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: DonaldC
The "deindustrialization" was a slightly different phenomenon than the term suggests.

First of all, Spain, per se, had not ever been industrialized OUTSIDE of the Jewish community. Analysts argue, and I think successfully, that the Jews of Spain became the world's first true industrial class. A quick review of classical Ladino surnames demonstrates the case very well ~ they are all about making stuff, assembling products, doing chemistry.

When Spain expelled the top end mercantile class among the Jews (about 1/3 of the Jewish population with most of the rest having been forcibly assimilated ~ see Moreno) that didn't hurt Jewish industrial production at all but it wiped out the marketing arm of domestic industry.

That right there had to raise prices sky high.

That's when the Morenos find it advisable to LEAVE SPAIN, which they did. The Americas were popular, as was the former Spanish Nederlands (now Northern Belgium), Germany, Italy and so on.

With the loss of manufacturing previously inflated prices rose even more, and that's all before silver mining operations had really gotten underway in the Americas ~ sure, they had the Peruvian gold, but the larger part of it was mined later ~ after 1541 Fur Shur. They still mined Peruvian gold of course. Probably most of it is still in place and will be for centuries.

Later, under the reign of Charles and then Philip II (who ruled Spain from the Nederlands) somebody got the idea of expelling the Morescos ~ converted Moslems, and a good number of Morenos, about whom folks had doubts as to their loyalty to Christianity. They were expelled to North Africa for the most part.

There went the REPLACEMENT commercial class for the Jewish mercantile class expelled under Isabella and Ferdinand, and the newer acolytes of the still extant Jewish industrial class now identified mostly as Morenos.

Inflation went out of sight with that transformation, and then finally, the peasantery in a good chunk of Spain left for the Americas leaving behind the extraction of basic materials (wood, cement, minerals, cattle, pigs) ~ and that wasn't picked up for a couple of centuries as Spain spiraled deeper into a more primitive state.

Everything worth having had to be imported since nobody made it anymore, but at the same time no one was very good at importing, or distributing or selling, so the prices climbed higher and higher.

I think by the time the Spanish began using their gold and silver reserves to purchase goods abroad, they'd already regressed the country to a pre-Roman economic level.

14 posted on 06/03/2011 8:37:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv
Read my post ~ Spain had had available to it the world's first large industrial class ~ called Jews.

Otherwise the Moslem and Christian princes competed and warred among themselves according to classical principles ~ to wit, gentlemen did not work ~ instead they farmed, or managed estates. The same with peasants.

So, that left the Jews free to "work" and make things. I suspect a person outside of the noble classes who emigrated form his home only to end up in Spain probably had to join Judaism just to survive.

15 posted on 06/03/2011 8:40:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

Doesn’t look like the scientists took into account fiscal theories. American silver may not have been made into coins, but having the bullion in the treasury would surely impact the value of coins in circulation.


16 posted on 06/03/2011 8:41:13 AM PDT by Defiant (When Democrats lose voters, they manufacture new voters instead of convincing the existing voters.)
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To: SunkenCiv

17 posted on 06/03/2011 8:42:51 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, I want more than my allotted 23 grams. I think I’m worth it. And FWIW, I think gold and silver should be restricted for use in jewelry and tableware — pretty stuff. We don’t need it wasted in no stinkin’ coins and bars. That’s my stand, and I stickin’ to it!


18 posted on 06/03/2011 12:16:48 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: muawiyah

You amaze me with what you know about history. What is your background?


19 posted on 06/03/2011 12:20:42 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: DonaldC
A country that does not produce for its own won’t last.

Thus my screen name.

20 posted on 06/03/2011 12:22:00 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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