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1 posted on 05/28/2011 3:04:25 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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A lady friend of mine is an attorney here in Nashville. She told me an alarming story about how, since the economic downturn this is happening very frequently.

She believes the counties and the state have either hired folks or assigned current employees to “dug up old, unpaid fines” and have them reinstated.

She has over 50 current clients who have hired her to defend them for similar claims.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 3:07:20 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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No copies of the tickets? Just a notation in a docket book? This should be easy to get tossed.


3 posted on 05/28/2011 3:10:15 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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They don’t give a damn if you’re the right George Springer.

Ever search names and find there could hundreds of the same name?
It’s amazing.


4 posted on 05/28/2011 3:10:21 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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Statute of limitations for class d traffic misdemeanors should put this BS to rest quick... Going to cost a lot of coin for old goobermint fisaco especially if this guy files a law suit.

Felonies yes .....

25 years later, no copies of the citations etc ??? .... No.

If his drivers license records go back that far and no record shows he lived at that address ever.... case that should have never been pursued is kaput IMO.


5 posted on 05/28/2011 3:12:22 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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Sue them!
Teach them this is NOT a revenue stream!


8 posted on 05/28/2011 3:17:01 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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I was innocent when it happened to me, and luckily for me the Judge agreed there was “reasonable doubt”, and dismissed the charges against me.

“H” the car was a Pontiac like mine, but different year, four door instead of two door, different color, and in a town nearby that I’d never been to.

I told the Judge perhaps the license was “xxX blah blah blah” instead of “xxx blah blah blah” like mine, and he said “Reasonable Doubt”, and dismissed the charges.

I was lucky. I remember thinking I was going to have to pay for something, because HOW does one prove something like that?


10 posted on 05/28/2011 3:19:47 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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In Traffic court there are no Constitutional guarantees.

You are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

If the cop says you did it, your denial doesn’t count for squat.

I guess there is no Statute of limitations in Traffic Court.


13 posted on 05/28/2011 3:23:57 PM PDT by Venturer
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Question?

Why do small government conservatives, you know, the liberty loving limited government types support the whole system that surrounds owning and operating a motor vehicle? I can only assume that voters support it because we have the government we want right? I know that many Freepers support the system because of the many many arguments surrounding the issues of seat belt laws, helmet laws, checkpoints etc.

So how can you be a freedom loving, small government conservative on the one hand, and support the greatest form of tyranny that can be experienced by an American; Owning and operating a motor vehicle?

In this country, instead of training people to be competent drivers, we build a system of regulations and citations that are geared for incompetent boobs who cannot tie their own shoe laces without a youtube how-to video.

Oh it reminds me of down town city parking cabals. Where you create an impossible parking situation, then hand out citations by the handful to violators. Same thing here. We don’t want the roads filled with competent self sufficient drivers. Rather, we prefer the roads filled with barely competent drivers, saddled with thousands of regulations designed to take the place of competent operation of a motor vehicle. Drivers are trained to pass a written test (it’s all about complying with rules) but drivers are never trained how to operate the vehicle when things go wrong. Nobody is trained by driving 90 mph across stop sticks and safely bringing the vehicle to a stop without rolling it. Pilots on the other hand are put through training where the aircraft is put into an odd attitude and failure configuration, then expected to recover. American drivers are competent on clear sunny days, dry pavement, fully inflated tires and no more than 70 mph, as long as they don’t really have to steer.

So why do we choose tyranny and control over self sufficiency and competence? I have no idea. I guess it’s just the American way. The Fing village won’t work unless everybody is forced to rely on big brother to fix what we are too willfully incompetent to avoid.

But lets face it. Traffic regs are just a fun and exciting way to make a mockery of the 4th amendment, and employ otherwise unemployable law school graduates masquerading as Da’s and judges anyway.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 3:28:25 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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However, a hand-written docket book from 1987 lists Springer's name.

Well then I guess it's legit!

20 posted on 05/28/2011 3:35:31 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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That’s almost as bad as my being accused of being some Aryan Nation/Christian Identity dude (similar name except middle name, and that person is now in the Federal Pen).


21 posted on 05/28/2011 3:36:12 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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Big deal. Go to court. In order for their case to proceed, the cop will need to testify. He’s probably no longer employed by the department. Case dismissed.


23 posted on 05/28/2011 3:38:52 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Fascism is nothing but moderate communism.)
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IMHO...

The only real purpose for driver licenses is a revenue stream. There is nothing else a state does with them other than manage violations charges, revoke them and use them for ID.

All that would be needed for personal ID card would be a photo ID card with SSN as an identifier, along with a guaranteed unique card ID. The production of these could be outsourced completely because all the state would need would be a file at the state linking your SSN, the unique ID and your other personal info, like name, address, telephone, etc.

Automobiles have a State registration and their only purpose is a revenue stream as well - there’s nothing they really need to manage with auto registrations.


24 posted on 05/28/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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What? No statute of limitations on traffic fines?


35 posted on 05/28/2011 4:06:50 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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If he were to go to court and have Xxx number of George Springers would the court have to prove which one was guilty?
No they would probably charge them all

This country is rapidly sliding into the ditch, becoming the newest Banana Republic!


44 posted on 05/28/2011 4:55:20 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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I got a speeding ticket somewhere in northern Georgia on December 31, 1999. I was driving from Kentucky to a New Year's party/weekend getaway at a cabin somewhere in the Lookout Mountain vicinity.

I somehow lost the ticket in the course of the weekend. I couldn't remember the name of the county I was pulled over in, didn't have internet at the time for research, and I moved to a new address shortly afterwards and never got any letters about the ticket. Thus, I never paid it.

A few years later I moved to Atlanta, and despite being registered with the DOT and getting pulled over a couple of times, this unpaid ticket has never come up.
47 posted on 05/28/2011 5:00:08 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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He's guilty of Ticket Denial and Offense Outrage. Had he admitted the tickets are his then they could’ve been dismissed but since he denies them he's guilty.
Now all he has to do is just go to court and prove he doesn't exist.
49 posted on 05/28/2011 5:11:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Tennessee seems to have a problem. I moved there for a year back in 1989 then moved back to Texas. Got my Texas license and surrendered my Tenn license. When that license “expired” Tenn notified my insurance company and my insurance was cancelled. Took me a lot of work to prove that I’d turned the Tenn license into the State of Texas.


54 posted on 05/28/2011 5:40:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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The old USSR approach. Prove you didn’t do it, or you’re guilty.

Watch and see how much more of this occurs with civil infractions that require fines, now that governments are hunting around for money.


59 posted on 05/28/2011 5:55:46 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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