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Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home[Indiana]
nwitimes ^ | Thursday, May 12, 2011 | Dan Carden

Posted on 05/13/2011 6:35:22 AM PDT by jaydubya2

INDIANAPOLIS | Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court system.

The court's decision stems from a Vanderburgh County case in which police were called to investigate a husband and wife arguing outside their apartment.

When the couple went back inside their apartment, the husband told police they were not needed and blocked the doorway so they could not enter. When an officer entered anyway, the husband shoved the officer against a wall. A second officer then used a stun gun on the husband and arrested him.

Professor Ivan Bodensteiner, of Valparaiso University School of Law, said the court's decision is consistent with the idea of preventing violence.

"It's not surprising that they would say there's no right to beat the hell out of the officer," Bodensteiner said. "(The court is saying) we would rather opt on the side of saying if the police act wrongfully in entering your house your remedy is under law, to bring a civil action against the officer."

Justice Robert Rucker, a Gary native, and Justice Brent Dickson, a Hobart native, dissented from the ruling, saying the court's decision runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."

Rucker and Dickson suggested if the court had limited its permission for police entry to domestic violence situations they would have supported the ruling.

But Dickson said, "The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is unwarranted and unnecessarily broad."

This is the second major Indiana Supreme Court ruling this week involving police entry into a home.

On Tuesday, the court said police serving a warrant may enter a home without knocking if officers decide circumstances justify it. Prior to that ruling, police serving a warrant would have to obtain a judge's permission to enter without knocking.


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To: All; jaydubya2
Decision available here: Barnes vs. Indiana (Acrobat PDF)

"We hold that there is no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers."

Amazing!

161 posted on 05/13/2011 3:09:39 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits, Immigration.)
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To: Teacher317
The decision is available here: Barnes vs Indiana (Acrobat PDF)
162 posted on 05/13/2011 3:11:40 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits, Immigration.)
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To: Ken H; All
Dissenters:

Robert D. Rucker was appointed to the Indiana Supreme Court by Governor Frank O'Bannon (D) in 1999.

Brent E. Dickson was appointed to the Indiana Supreme Court in January, 1986, by Governor Robert D. Orr (R)

Majority:

Randall T. Shepard of Evansville was appointed to the Indiana Supreme Court by Governor Robert D. Orr (R)

Frank Sullivan, Jr., was appointed to the Indiana Supreme Court effective November 1, 1993, by Governor Evan Bayh. (D)

Steven H. David was appointed by Governor Mitch Daniels in 2010. (R)

163 posted on 05/13/2011 3:17:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits, Immigration.)
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To: newzjunkey
Thanks.
164 posted on 05/13/2011 4:15:51 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Abathar

Thanks. I was stunned that this came from Indiana. Some of my husband’s family is from there. I wouldn’t be surprised if this came from Mass or MD. That would make more sense since the elimination of freedoms are very common in those states. However, INDIANA? I am hoping this will be challenged legally and overturned. If not, I would suspect many more states trying this. IMHO


165 posted on 05/13/2011 5:34:28 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: hfr
The saying, "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing", sure applies to our country nowadays.

I've been thinking about all this. State level. Federal level.

166 posted on 05/13/2011 6:13:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jaydubya2

Well THAT just reset the rules of engagement, didn’t it? Draw your own conclusions. Do what must be done.


167 posted on 05/13/2011 7:25:36 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: muawiyah

This sets a precedent; it is a tool to be used elsewhere and in a different manner. None of it to our advantage.


168 posted on 05/13/2011 7:31:53 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jaydubya2

As the economy slips away so does our rights,there always seems to be more and more fear that as the money dries up for enforcement-the cure is to make that enforcement as easy to affect as possible.

This country goes on,just remember that laws can change,that the wrong steps can be redressed.That we can keep moving this land into a right direction.


169 posted on 05/13/2011 8:11:08 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Lazamataz
Because life is a foul joke, a feeble and thin hopeless exercise in weak justification, made foolishly.

Ecclesiastes discusses this in great detail.

Ecclesiastes 1:14 

I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and behold, all [is] vanity and vexation of spirit.
 


170 posted on 05/13/2011 9:40:15 PM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: rxsid; Red Steel; edge919; Spaulding; patlin

here ya go...

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1803496

Executive Power and the Law of Nations in the Washington Administration

Robert Reinstein
Temple University - James E. Beasley School of Law

1 April 2011


171 posted on 05/13/2011 9:49:23 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

thx, saved for more indepth reading when my brain & body is not so fried fronm having the grandchildren for 2 days


172 posted on 05/13/2011 10:16:15 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: RinaseaofDs

“The ruling is idiotic. I don’t know whether this can be challenged, but I believe it can be since the issue here is 4th Amendment.”

I can only assume this is going to be appealed to the Supreme Court. It is a seriously bad idea.

Jonah Goldberg had a little post one day (I don’t remember what prompted it) remarking that he was surprised to see that a big divide on the Right was between those who were “pro-cop” and those who were “anti-cop”. That’s just shorthand and those are my words not his.

Of course, as a dweller on these boards I was surprised he was surprised.

I’m in the middle on this stuff, but I’m coming to think we’ve got to start watching and being wary of the cops even more lately. I’m concerned about what may happen in some situations involving unions and just in general I’m concerned that cops are starting to be used to restrict our liberty.

This decision in Indiana fits right in there. It needs to be appealed and it needs to be reversed.


173 posted on 05/13/2011 10:51:35 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jaydubya2

I knew the 4th Amendment was on life support in this country, but hell, I didn’t know Indiana decided to fire a Gatling gun for 20 minutes into its now bullet ridden body.


174 posted on 05/13/2011 11:45:46 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: jaydubya2

Just wow.

Stuff like this is why I am no longer comfortable flying the flag. It means little.


175 posted on 05/14/2011 8:01:33 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Ratman83
Many in Indiana will use the old judged by twelve is better than carried by six rule.

Including me. This decision may end up causing more shootings of LEO.

176 posted on 05/14/2011 12:17:31 PM PDT by opus86
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To: jaydubya2

Why not just force the homeowner to give beds, shelter and food to the police and military?

Seriously, how far of a step is that from this?


177 posted on 05/14/2011 6:54:02 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: jaydubya2

Indiana Supreme Court
Division of Supreme Court Administration
State House, Room 315
200 W. Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Hours: 8:30am-4:30pm
Phone: (317) 232-2540
Fax: (317) 232-8372

3 traitors to the U.S. Constitution listed below, who unbeknownst to them (give it time) just nullified there own Constitutional rights upon the first causality of their decree:

1) Randall Terry Shepard
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/supreme/bios/shepard.html

2) Frank Sullivan Jr.
(Frank E. Sullivan) married to Cheryl Gibson Sullivan
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/supreme/bios/sullivan.html

3) Steven Howard David, married to Catheryne Elaine Pully
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/supreme/bios/david.html

Investigators & patriots, feel free to post their home addresses and phone numbers.


178 posted on 05/14/2011 8:10:26 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: jaydubya2
I have not read all of the Freeper comments to this article (and it has been posted on Free Republic 3 times), however, I suspect there will be some from the law enforcement community who will defend this outrage.

Unless the good, honest police officers rebel, and publicly refuse this obvious violation of the 4th Amendment, we will head down the path to our Police State in very short order.

Unfortunately, I don't envision the law enforcement community doing anything, except taking advantage of this 3-2 "decision" by a group in black robes who should be thrown into prison themselves for treason against the Constitution of the United States.


179 posted on 05/15/2011 4:08:42 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence,"

Living. Breathing. Document. As the statists would have you interpret it.



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180 posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:11 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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