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This article is amazing!!! I will be off to the hardware store to get some tri-sodium phosphate as soon as possible. I can't believe how the enviros are destroying our way of living and taking us back to the 1850's.

Also, for the survival minded, this might be useful to stretch soap and get clothes clean without near as much work.

1 posted on 05/11/2011 6:31:36 AM PDT by Free Vulcan
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Interesting. I’ll look in the hardware section in Walmart.


2 posted on 05/11/2011 6:36:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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We used to use TSP all the time at the silk screen shop in the 80’s. I was under the impression one could no longer get it, thanks to the tree huggers. I haven’t noticed it in the paint dept. of the hardware stores for a long time...but then again, I wasn’t lookin’. : )


3 posted on 05/11/2011 6:37:41 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (It's not so much where, but to whom.)
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Would it be available at the Home Depot? Or should I go to a more generic ‘hardware store’? When I do find it, how do you measure it out, quantity, etc?


4 posted on 05/11/2011 6:39:23 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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Yes, and they removed all phosphates from dishwasher soap a couple of years back. Noticed they don't get the dishes as clean now, and leave spots and calcium deposits? Bet you thought it was the dishwasher, huh?

I started mixing up good, old-fashioned TSP with my dish soap and now the dishes sparkle again.

5 posted on 05/11/2011 6:40:48 AM PDT by truthkeeper ( Life is a pre-existing condition - Rush Limbaugh)
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I’ll be picking some up. I have only used it for cleaning my backyard deck.


6 posted on 05/11/2011 6:41:21 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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Thanks! I’m doing the laundry today and will try it out. BTW- I’ve used Borax to boost the laundry also (very cheap) - do you have any info on that?


8 posted on 05/11/2011 6:42:33 AM PDT by tisket ("So many guns around town and so few brains." - Humphrey Bogart in "The Big Sleep")
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It is not cheap. I use it occasionally though not everytime. Be careful and get real TSP because they have replacements for it and it isn’t always very clear because TSP is the most noticable thing on the label.


10 posted on 05/11/2011 6:48:23 AM PDT by tiki
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Be careful that you don’t get the almost identical product “TSP-PF”. The PF means “phosphate free”. It’s like buying a car without the engine.

I use it for exterior cleaning with my power washer and it works great.

Also note, the dishwashing detergents like Cascade now don’t have phosphates because a few states now ban them. You can buy it with phosphates online at newegg.com.

There was an article a month or two ago, perhaps in the WSJ, about how people are complaining about their fancy dishwashers not getting the dishes clean. Care to guess why?

Consumer Reports will no longer rate top loading washing machines because with the current energy and water standards they no longer work period.


11 posted on 05/11/2011 6:49:30 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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They removed phosphates from laundry detergent back in the 70’s I think. Then in early 2010, phosphates were removed from dish washing soap. The reason being is they cause algae blooms and low oxygen (eutrophication) in lakes.

You can still buy commercial dishwashing detergent on line with phosphates.

You can also by TSP at home improvement stores and hardware stores and add a little yourself.


12 posted on 05/11/2011 6:49:30 AM PDT by IamConservative (The Bin Laden Cocktail: 2 shots and a splash.)
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bttt


14 posted on 05/11/2011 6:49:44 AM PDT by aberaussie
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TSP? I've used it for years cleaning concrete and degreasing walls before papering.

Someone just discovered the wheel! Any paint store or lumber yard will carry it.
The reason it works is that it produces a very alkaline solution that helps break down oils and make them water soluble allowing them to be washed away.

Hey everybody!!! TSP! Get yer TSP!!!!!!

17 posted on 05/11/2011 6:54:16 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Thanks for posting this! Just the other day when I was doing laundry, I was complaining about how our clothes just don’t seem to get clean anymore. Now I know why. And it figures that government would be the geniuses behind it. I knew they messed with dishwasher detergent, but I didn’t know about the laundry soap.

I happen to have TSP on hand as well! I should probably stock up on that before they ban that as well. UGH!

I notice the tags that government-loving lefties added right under the article. They are so predictable.


18 posted on 05/11/2011 6:54:47 AM PDT by Shelayne (Monthly donors wanted!)
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Make sure that you get real trisodium phosphate and not the phosphate-free version in a similar box. You might not even be able to buy real TSP in some states. I’m just about out of my good dishwasher powder and the new stuff doesn’t have the phosphates, so I’ll be tossing in a quarter teaspoon with each load.


19 posted on 05/11/2011 6:57:46 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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I occassionally post my TSP discovery here. Last September is when the phosphates were removed from all major brand dish soaps. For almost ten years, it had been banned in several states...and the makers of the soaps were tired of ‘boutique’ blends for different states. Seems they colluded a little; but, they agreed to a common stopping point last September.

I have very hard water; and, the difference was very noticeable. In addition to hard spots, the dishes seemed to have a film all over them. Research online led me to TSP (and also a bit of trivia about how dishwasher sales had spiked).

The TSP is very effective in my dishwasher. I am still on my first box (this stuff is very cheap and one box will probably last a year), which I got at Home Depot. You have to be careful, though. My understanding is that some states have actually banned TSP...and there is a ‘substitute’ on the market. The substitute is called ‘TSP’....make sure somewhere on the box is ‘Trisodium Phosphate’.

As a side note...you can also find phosphates in that giant mountain of bagged fertilizer in front of the Home Depot. If the phosphates in our laundry and dishwashers is causing problems, how long before plain old fertilizer becomes a controlled substance?


21 posted on 05/11/2011 6:59:31 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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I’ve purchased true trisodium phosphate at Lowe’s(they only had TSP-PF at Menards) and I’ve purchased sodium tripolyphosphate online for 4.04 a pound. Even with shipping, it only came to 10.24.


25 posted on 05/11/2011 7:02:33 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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bump


29 posted on 05/11/2011 7:06:42 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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Great post!!! (Will TSP make my hair shiny and bouncy again?)


31 posted on 05/11/2011 7:15:52 AM PDT by fullchroma
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Make sure you read the label. The crap Hone Depot sells is NOT real TSP.
34 posted on 05/11/2011 7:24:41 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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OK.., but you still have to flush twice!)


35 posted on 05/11/2011 7:25:57 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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36 posted on 05/11/2011 7:26:29 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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