I will not be taken by surprise when the moment arrives.
For I have been taught all the signs.
But to the day and the hour they will occur.....
Mat 24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Any man who claims to be able to name the date and time is a liar.
Jesus said so.
A.M.E.N.
A liar and a deceiver.
OK, I think you misunderstand me: WE AGREE that no man will know the day or the hour; not even any Christian, so — yes — anyone going around claiming otherwise is a fraud.
We’re square on that point.
BUT, when you made that point back at Post 41, to support it you quoted I Thess. 5:1 & 2 in such a way as to suggest that the day and the hour are so un-knowable that even CHRISTIANS will be caught unaware; as when a thief comes in the night.
So, since we agree that Christians won’t be taken by surprise, and we agree that the day and hour are truly unknown, I am left to conclude that your use of those two verses wasn’t intended to address Christians, but that you just didn’t clearly state that in Post 41.
The Church will know it’s coming — The Revelation of John gives us some pretty unmistakeable milestones — we just won’t know the exact moment down to the day or hour.