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Dark matter could provide heat for starless planets
PhysOrg ^ | 4/1/11 | Deborah Braconnier

Posted on 04/02/2011 6:24:09 PM PDT by LibWhacker

(PhysOrg.com) -- In a resent paper posted at arXiv.org and submitted to Astrophysical Journal, Dan Hooper and Jason Steffen, physicists at Fermilab in Illinois, present the theory that cold and dark planets, not heated by a star, could be heated by dark matter. In theory, this dark matter could produce habitable planets outside of what is known as a habitable zone.

While no one knows exactly what dark matter is, it is believed to make up about 83 percent of the universe. The most accepted theory is this dark matter is made up of what are called WIMPs, or weakly interacting massive particles.

These WIMPs interact with regular matter by a weak nuclear force and gravity, but they are also antiparticles. When two WIMPs come together, they work to annihilate each other and cause a burst of energy.

Hooper and Steffen suggest that should this dark matter be trapped within a planet’s gravity, the bursts of energy could produce enough to warm the planet. When it comes to Earth, the energy that could be produced is low, but in areas of space where there are high densities of black matter; Hooper and Steffen believe there is the possibility of finding planets that could be warmed in this way.

Within the innermost regions of the Milky Way, density of dark matter is estimated to be hundreds or thousands of times that in our solar system, and it is in these areas that Hooper and Steffen believe finding a planet heated by dark matter would be most plausible.

Traditional planets, heated by stars like our sun, are dependent on the life of that star. This theory would make these dark matter planets have a large advantage over those tied to a star, as the dark matter could provide heat for trillions of years.

Hooper and Steffen admit that they currently do not see a way of detecting any of these possible dark matter planets in the near future, but that in theory, it is possible.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: dark; heat; matter; planets; stringtheory; wimps
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To: fella
1. 3x1055 grams in the observable uiverse. (from wolframalpha.com)

2. From such a mass? In principle, escape velocity is given by Ve=sqrt(2GM/r). I think someone lifted my old HP41C calculator, so I'll let you work it out. But note that that is only the escape velocity in principle. In actuality, you can't escape the universe by going fast. Not even light can do that. It's like being inside a black hole.

3. There is no center. Is there a center of the surface of a ball? No. The surface has no center.

4. I think this is possible. Any black hole will do. (Don't quote me on that!)

5. Light can't escape. The universe is a singularity. But there are lots of wonderful and bizarre ideas floating around out there; e.g., that beyond the observable universe, the rest of the universe is speeding away from us faster than the speed of light. So maybe there are photons in this universe that are zipping away in a straight line and that aren't following any kind of curved path?

21 posted on 04/02/2011 8:04:59 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: wendy1946
The thing which actually does constitute something like 99% of the mass of the universe is plasma

Plasma / aether, same thing. The mixture is actually about 50/50 (plasma/matter) and the plasma/aether doesn't have a mass, but overall I agree with you.

22 posted on 04/02/2011 8:09:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: LibWhacker

“When two WIMPs come together, they work to annihilate each other and cause a burst of energy. “

Sounds like a lot of marriages.


23 posted on 04/02/2011 8:11:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: fella

Here’s a question just for you:

Why is it dark at night?

(this is not a joke question, it is a real one and the answer isn’t simple or obvious)


24 posted on 04/02/2011 8:13:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: LibWhacker
so what effect does dark matter have on planets WITH a star???
25 posted on 04/02/2011 8:13:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: cripplecreek; fella
4: If light can be bent by passing near a mass how big a mass would put light into an orbit around it? Interesting question that I've never considered.

Isn't that what the concept of a black hole is about?

The Schwarzschild radius is that particular 'orbit' around a black hole where light would appear to be in an orbit.

Who knows if black holes exist, or conform to our theory of them.

We cannot even visualize what a spherical black hole in space would really even look like. A black hole cannot be the FLAT CIRCULAR image that we are treated to by our scientists. But that is the only way we can conceive the subject of the theory.

26 posted on 04/02/2011 8:23:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: LibWhacker
Is there a center of the surface of a ball?

Well... yes.

You specified a ball (sphere) and a surface, ergo it must have a center.

Now, the Universe is not a Sphere, so your argument for something that doesn't exist doesn't hold.

I am now thoroughly confused.

27 posted on 04/02/2011 8:30:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: calex59
So, these planets could get heat from dark matter,

Seems to me that if dark matter could produce 'heat', we could see it, because most of our imaging these days is from radio waves and INFRARED.

Of course, there is then the further theory of 'dark energy'. Maybe it produces HEAT that can't be seen.

28 posted on 04/02/2011 8:33:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: proxy_user
This is kind of like the theory that there are parallel universes with matter made up of slightly different quarks than the ones we have.

I heard you could get slightly used quarks from another dimension, on EBAY.

29 posted on 04/02/2011 8:34:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: fella
a blackhole would be about the only thing that can bend light that much, and then, only to the event horizon...???
30 posted on 04/02/2011 8:36:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: LibWhacker
There is no center. Is there a center of the surface of a ball? No. The surface has no center.

A sphere certainly does have a center. Why all the focus placed upon the surface alone?

31 posted on 04/02/2011 8:43:58 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: UCANSEE2
What I’m trying to get at is; If the mass of the universe is so big that light can not escape (like with a black hole) then light must be being bent or curved back on it self.
So that when we are looking at the farthest galaxies, is it possible that we are looking back at ourselves? And would that curving of light give it a reddish tint? For there must be some sort of friction involved.
32 posted on 04/02/2011 8:45:52 PM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: RegulatorCountry
Why all the focus placed upon the surface alone?

To demonstrate that there are spaces that have no center. They exist. The universe is like that. You see the same kind of point made when people talk about things like "finite but unbounded." The surface of a sphere is finite in size, but you'll never run into a wall or boundary, no matter how much you travel around on the surface. In some cosmologies, the universe is finite but unbounded. So it's very much like the surface of a sphere. Except it's three dimensional.

33 posted on 04/02/2011 8:58:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The universe has volume, correct? The surface of a sphere, finite but unbounded though it may well be, encompasses volume. The surface is two dimensional. The volume the surface of the sphere encompasses is three dimensional, and this represents the whole object.


34 posted on 04/02/2011 9:13:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: UCANSEE2
You specified a ball (sphere) and a surface, ergo it must have a center.

We're just looking at the surface in isolation of the space it curves around and encloses. The surface has no center. The three-dimensional ball has a center, but that's not what we're talking about.

There are two-dimensional spheres, three-dimensional spheres, etc. The surface of an idealized basketball, say, is two-dimensional. A 2-D bug on the surface can move right and left, or forward and backward. But that's it. He can't move up and down. There are no stairs or mountains in his world. He lives in a 2-D world. The universe may be like that, except it's a 3-D world, curved in some 4th dimension that we cannot perceive. It has no center.

35 posted on 04/02/2011 9:15:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: RegulatorCountry
The universe has volume, correct?

Yes. It is a three-dimensional space, so it must have a volume. But the analogy to a two-dimensional spherical surface is a good one. This is what happens when you generalize a notion in mathematics. It can definitely stretch the old gray matter.

This is all part of a branch of mathematics called topology. I've never taken a course in it, but I've encountered plenty of theorems from topology and it can be very tough conceptually. Every step can be a struggle. One approach that I used to take was to say, "Okay, for some bizarre reason you want to talk about your weird little two-dimensional closed surfaces that have no centers... Sock it to me! I'm game."

36 posted on 04/02/2011 10:01:43 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: fella

Your questions are the same ones asked by Isaac Asimov. His conclusion was that our Universe itself is a giant black hole.


37 posted on 04/02/2011 10:13:08 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Will work for chocolate)
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To: LibWhacker

That pretty much sums it up. I would add, though, that “dark matter” was postulated to explain some inconsistencies between the Theory of Relativity and observations. The “missing mass” hypothesis has the math to make it worth, but it hasn’s been adequately tested through observation.


38 posted on 04/02/2011 10:16:38 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Will work for chocolate)
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To: calex59
ust where would they get light, which is as essential as heat for live to exist, maybe more so.

Actually, the key is energy in any form. There are a lot of lifeforms that do quite nicely here on earth in total darkness- the anaerobic bacteria found in undursea volcanoes derive all the energy they need from head and chemical reactions.

39 posted on 04/02/2011 10:19:32 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Will work for chocolate)
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To: Squawk 8888

Yes and there are species that do quite nicely on earth in extremely cold weather also, that doesn’t change the fact that more species thrive in warmth and light than do in the cold and dark.


40 posted on 04/02/2011 11:56:47 PM PDT by calex59
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