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The Roman Ninth Legion's mysterious loss
BBC ^ | March 16, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 03/16/2011 4:28:52 AM PDT by decimon

The disappearance of Rome's Ninth Legion has long baffled historians, but could a brutal ambush have been the event that forged the England-Scotland border, asks archaeologist Dr Miles Russell.

One of the most enduring legends of Roman Britain concerns the disappearance of the Ninth Legion.

The theory that 5,000 of Rome's finest soldiers were lost in the swirling mists of Caledonia, as they marched north to put down a rebellion, forms the basis of a new film, The Eagle, but how much of it is true?

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Hadrian's Wall was designed to keep invaders out of Roman territory as well ensuring that potential insurgents within the province had no hope of receiving support from their allies to the north. From this point, cultures on either side of the great divide developed at different rates and in very different ways.

The ultimate legacy of the Ninth was the creation of a permanent border, forever dividing Britain. The origins of what were to become the independent kingdoms of England and Scotland may be traced to the loss of this unluckiest of Roman legions.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 9thlegion; agricola; antoninewall; caledonia; gaskridge; germanlimes; godsgravesglyphs; hadrianswall; mythical; ninthlegion; romanempire; rosemarysutcliff; scotland; scotlandyet
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1 posted on 03/16/2011 4:28:54 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Ninth telling ping.


2 posted on 03/16/2011 4:29:36 AM PDT by decimon
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To: BabyBMW

ping


3 posted on 03/16/2011 4:30:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: decimon

Someone was watching “Centurian”, weren’t they?


4 posted on 03/16/2011 4:32:12 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama did not learn incompetence; he was born to it.)
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Damned GPS. Probably wasn’t worth a damn back then either.


5 posted on 03/16/2011 4:32:53 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Thanks decimon. The "loss" of the 9th is a modern legend.

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6 posted on 03/16/2011 4:36:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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7 posted on 03/16/2011 4:39:25 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The "loss" of the 9th is a modern legend.

The tale is in the telling, I guess. The history seems murky enough.

8 posted on 03/16/2011 4:52:04 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

The loss of an Eagle was a national disgrace for the Romans. It seems unlikely that the loss of one would be unrecorded. On the other hand the fact that the legion number was not reused is suggestive of the legion being wiped out. There are at least a couple of examples where legions (and their Eagles) were lost and the legion numbers were never reused.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me wish I had become an archeologist.


9 posted on 03/16/2011 4:53:10 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: BuffaloJack

CENTURIAN was a pretty good movie. Different twist and all. 117AD. Ninth Legion wiped out. Rome so embarrassed, they had to take out survivors.


10 posted on 03/16/2011 5:05:38 AM PDT by donozark ("Across the board, we are slowly tightening the noose on Gaddafi." Barack Obama)
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To: BuffaloJack

Pretty good movie. I enjoyed the way it ended.


11 posted on 03/16/2011 5:15:13 AM PDT by gakrak ( A man should know his limitations and act accordingly.)
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To: decimon

The guy on the right bears a striking resemblance to the young Steve McQueen — at least he does in that profile on the poster.


12 posted on 03/16/2011 5:16:01 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: decimon

very interesting- thanks for posting


13 posted on 03/16/2011 5:19:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: decimon

ping for future reading


14 posted on 03/16/2011 5:27:30 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: decimon

From the photo on the linked story, the Roman legionaires were apparently Greek hoplites too stupid to put their helmets on. LOL

The Romans almost always fought in open order. The gladius was not intended to be used above the shield, but rather to its side. It was normally used to thrust either straight forwards or in an upwards direction.


15 posted on 03/16/2011 5:35:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: decimon
The disappearance of Rome's Ninth Legion has long baffled historians...

Were they led by General Georgious Bushius?

16 posted on 03/16/2011 5:41:04 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Laz would hit it!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Very true, but apparently not dramatic enough for cinematography.

There was a trilogy, "The Centurions" by Damion Hunter which was absolutely fascinating. The Roman Army was years ahead and quite remarkable.

17 posted on 03/16/2011 5:53:29 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Drefuss)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Nothing stops you from being an archeologist, as a matter of fact, you may already be one. Most work of Archeology is done through research. It sounds like you are well read. Continue to read and think, at some point a question will come to your mind that you can not answer from research and you will be forced to work in the field. There are plenty of amateur archeologist out there, just become one. You don’t need a whip and a fedora to start. You have started, now get to it.


18 posted on 03/16/2011 6:16:21 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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I agree with the steve mcqueen thing.


19 posted on 03/16/2011 6:17:39 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Redleg Duke
The Roman Army was years ahead and quite remarkable.

It was so effective as an institution it almost always won despite the command being handed out to politicians rather than professional soldiers.

Imagine how our army would have fared if the invasion of Iraq had been under the command of John Kerry or Chris Dodd.

20 posted on 03/16/2011 6:19:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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