Thanks decimon.
time machine images:
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Posted on 03/15/2011 4:20:55 PM PDT by decimon
If the latest theory of Tom Weiler and Chui Man Ho is right, the Large Hadron Collider – the world’s largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year – could be the first machine capable of causing matter to travel backwards in time.
“Our theory is a long shot,” admitted Weiler, who is a physics professor at Vanderbilt University, “but it doesn’t violate any laws of physics or experimental constraints.”
One of the major goals of the collider is to find the elusive Higgs boson: the particle that physicists invoke to explain why particles like protons, neutrons and electrons have mass. If the collider succeeds in producing the Higgs boson, some scientists predict that it will create a second particle, called the Higgs singlet, at the same time.
According to Weiler and Ho’s theory, these singlets should have the ability to jump into an extra, fifth dimension where they can move either forward or backward in time and reappear in the future or past.
“One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes,” Weiler said. “Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future.”
(Excerpt) Read more at news.vanderbilt.edu ...
WTF? This still could violate causality. Or am I missing something?
It would have ended the same, just taken longer.
LOL!
The higher physical dimensions are compressed inside the three you can perceive. That’s what they say. Sort of like being behind the mirror in Alice in Wonderland.
http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/01/31/back-to-the-future-time-circuit-panel-for-iphone/
http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/delorean-time-machine-iphone-app.jpg
Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
Five-dimensional space
It takes a lot of optimism to believe that the LHC will even *find* the Higgs — earlier work in the labs that (I believe) are now shut down (the LHC is the only ticket, when it finally works) showed that it probably doesn’t exist. Of course, given the way those Nobel-whores behave, anything they find that doesn’t meet the criteria will still be paraded out as the one, the only, Higgs Boson — sure, it won’t have the right energy etc etc, but it’ll still be the Higgs Boson. :’)
Naw, they moved to Colorado to wait for the Age of Aquarius to crank up, man.
I think retiring head of Lockheed Skunk Works indicated we’ve had some sort of at least viewing capacity vis a vis time machine sorts of things a lot longer than the collider’s been around.
This thread needs a flux capacitor or two.
Umm. Maybe time again, but flowing backward?
Billions were spent, it was 7/10ths the way built. It offered hope and promises that only forward thinking people could ever understand!
The physicists in charge could never make the case to congress that the vast expense, and very large proportion of the total science budget, was an important national priority. They only succeeded in making the case that it was important for their careers. They had a lot of hubris.
I remember one congressman saying that basically the only reason he had been given for the project was "so that some physicist can be the Captain Ahab of the top quark". I heard a physicist whining that the project should not be cancelled because then he would have to move and find new schools for his kids.
I'm not sure that it is true that the project was 7/10 complete. They may have dug a lot of the hole but the equipment was not ready and they definitely had not spent 7/10 of the money required.
P.S. I just looked it it up and at the time of cancellation they had only dug 27% of the hole and had spent nearly 3 times the original estimated cost. Also, according to Wikipedia, Clinton was against the cancellation.
IMO, any encroachment of the future on the past would nullify causality.
Great message.
Only until someone goes back and builds an earlier one.
During the design and the first construction stage, a heated debate ensued about the high cost of the project. In 1987, Congress was told the project could be completed for $4.4 billion, and it gained the enthusiastic support of Speaker Jim Wright of nearby Fort Worth.[4][dubious – discuss] By 1993, the cost projection exceeded $12 billion. A recurring argument was the contrast with NASA's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), a similar dollar amount.[citation needed] Critics of the project argued that the US could not afford both of them. Early in 1993 a group supported by funds from project contractors organized a public relations campaign to lobby Congress directly,[5] but in June, the non-profit Project on Government Oversight released a draft audit report by the Department of Energy's Inspector General heavily criticizing the Super Collider for its high costs and poor management by officials in charge of it.[6][7] A high-level schematic of the lab landscape during the final planning phases.-- WikipediaCongress officially canceled the project October 21, 1993.[8] Many factors contributed to the cancellation: rising cost estimates; poor management by physicists and Department of Energy officials; the end of the need to prove the supremacy of American science with the collapse of the Soviet Union; belief that many smaller scientific experiments of equal merit could be funded for the same cost; Congress's desire to generally reduce spending; the reluctance of Texas Governor Ann Richards;[9] and President Bill Clinton's initial lack of support for a project begun during the administrations of Richards's predecessor, Bill Clements, and Clinton's predecessors, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. However, in 1993, Clinton tried to prevent the cancellation by asking Congress to continue "to support this important and challenging effort" through completion because "abandoning the SSC at this point would signal that the United States is compromising its position of leadership in basic science".[10]
The closing of the SSC had adverse consequences for the southern part of the Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex, and resulted in a mild recession, most evident in those parts of Dallas which lay south of the Trinity River.[11] When the project was canceled, 22.5 km (14.0 mi) of tunnel and 17 shafts to the surface were already dug, and nearly two billion dollars had already been spent on the massive facility.[12]
But then again, I’m an old Bircher. I still have my little Blue Book.I do not know a lot about the John Birch Society but I do believe that, like McCarthy, they turned out to be right about the infiltration of American society and government by communists.
The test of the researchers’ theory will be whether the physicists monitoring the collider begin seeing Higgs singlet particles and their decay products spontaneously appearing. If they do, Weiler and Ho believe that they will have been produced by particles that travel back in time to appear before the collisions that produced them.They don't say how far back in time te particles will go, but let's just pick an arbitrary time, say 5 seconds, and let's just imagine that to initiate the test you have to push the Big Red Button on the LHC main control panel (just an exercise in imagination here).
So you've got the detector displaying on a screen just to the left of the Big Red Button. When you push the Big Red Button, it sends a Higgs Singlet 5 seconds into the past, displaying on the screen 5 seconds before you press the Big Red Button.
Ok. So you're sitting there about to perform your experiment and suddenly -- spontaneously -- a Detection registers on the screen.
Are you free to not push the Big Red Button 5 seconds later???
:^D
The reason that it doesn’t create any paradoxes is that you’d have to have a boson singlet receptor.
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