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1 posted on 03/12/2011 8:56:55 AM PST by rawhide
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This is not a tax? A Fee? Typical liberal response. A tax=fee=tax.


2 posted on 03/12/2011 9:00:13 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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Insane!

This is terrible, whether it applies to churches or not! For what a business has to pay to comply with this madness, there are probably several people NOT working for each one to offset the costs.


3 posted on 03/12/2011 9:00:34 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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Just more communists trying to discourage religion while supporting the glorious state.


4 posted on 03/12/2011 9:02:17 AM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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Title reads “Taking Liberties”

Shouldn’t be “Taxing Liberties”

We got a new one in town - stormwater tax/fee/whatever....

Driveway tax? I’d turn it to grass and mow it.(probably a law against that...)


5 posted on 03/12/2011 9:02:36 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too...retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must...be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.

This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson

6 posted on 03/12/2011 9:06:16 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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How does government know how many people attend each church? Are they watching and counting? That is certainly none of government’s business.


7 posted on 03/12/2011 9:08:03 AM PST by iowamark
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I understood church land is held under allodial title, meaning that they do not have to pay taxes like this.

In most states, property held by churches for the purpose of worship also has status similar to allodial title.
in all these cases, it is also clear that if the title ceases to be used for the purposes for which it was granted, it reverts to the state or the federal government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title


8 posted on 03/12/2011 9:11:16 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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And if I walk to Church?

What if I drive, but then park down the block on the street and walk in?

Never mind, let me keep this short and succinct: bugger-off big government!

9 posted on 03/12/2011 9:14:32 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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Any mosques included in this tax?


10 posted on 03/12/2011 9:17:43 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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He calls the revenue program “a tax on church attendance.”

That is exactly what it is.

"That is clever,” said Stanley. “But it’s not going to work.”

I would hope so, but, in today's political correctness climate, I would not count on it.

He says the charge is clearly a property tax issue, and he says any judge will see it that way. “This is not a fee for service,” he said. “This is a tax.”

Again, in today's political climate and the extent that the Democrats have corrupted the judiciary, I would not count on it.

11 posted on 03/12/2011 9:18:55 AM PST by sport
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A Modern day Temple Tax!


13 posted on 03/12/2011 9:21:45 AM PST by celtic gal
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This is Mission, KS.

Mission, KS bureaucrats come up with another way to tax it’s citizens! Never underestimate the ability of bureaucrats to come up with more ways to take your money! They never eliminate taxes and fees only add new ones!


14 posted on 03/12/2011 9:23:41 AM PST by KansasGirl
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There is no guarantee that either a purchase or a donation is made every time a vehicle rolls over those driveways. How are they counting? Bizarre! Time to recall those who voted for such idiocy.


15 posted on 03/12/2011 9:26:48 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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In August, the small town just north of Kansas City passed the so-called “driveway tax,” a controversial charge, in addition to property taxes, for residents and businesses based on the number of times their driveway is used.

The day will come when exercising or working hard will be too expensive.

Air will be taxed by the breath some day.

Unless you are one of the few who will be worthy of a tax waiver....

19 posted on 03/12/2011 9:53:08 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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All money rightfully belongs to government officials and employees.

And anyone who disagrees is a racist.

21 posted on 03/12/2011 9:55:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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If there is going to be a tax assessed based on traffic in and out of a driveway, how much does each polling center need to pay on election day?


23 posted on 03/12/2011 9:58:27 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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1) Aren't driveways part of your property and should already be covered by the property tax? Or is a driveway considered an "improvement" and subject to extra tax?

2) Find a Planned Parenthood or mosque nearby and park there (but I'm sure the elected monkeys have thought of that and exempted them! If so, there's the basis for a lawsuit).

3) (more of 2...) Are there any mosques in the town? Are they subject to the ordinance? If so, get the muzzies reactions and take it to the city council. I'm sure they'll rescind it pronto (don't want to hurt muzzie feelings, ya' know, might lose your head!). If they take a president zero approach and exempt only the muzzies, well... recall and run them out of town!

26 posted on 03/12/2011 10:14:35 AM PST by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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Nothing is a tax to a socialist.

They need to take money from others to pay for PBS, NPR and bonuses for union bosses...and on...and on...and on.


27 posted on 03/12/2011 10:15:14 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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What gets lost in all these like situations is that your next door neighbor could be the one laying all these ‘fees’ on you. These actions to pick your wallets don’t come down from God. The same realization goes all the way up to congress. It all goes to show that once your neighbor is given some means to gouge you don’t expect any thing anymore or less than a used car dealer would treat you. By the way we have tremendous neighbors and associations. It’s the man/women far up the street with whom I have doubts that he cares anything for me.


30 posted on 03/12/2011 10:23:48 AM PST by noinfringers2
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What gets lost in all these like situations is that your next door neighbor could be the one laying all these ‘fees’ on you. These actions to pick your wallets don’t come down from God. The same realization goes all the way up to congress. It all goes to show that once your neighbor is given some means to gouge you don’t expect any thing anymore or less than a used car dealer would treat you. By the way we have tremendous neighbors and associations. It’s the man/women far up the street with whom I have doubts that he cares anything for me.


31 posted on 03/12/2011 10:24:08 AM PST by noinfringers2
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