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Paul Giamatti as King John in Ironclad
1 posted on 03/01/2011 5:10:51 AM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Aside from that ping.


2 posted on 03/01/2011 5:11:24 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon
"I see him a bit like Barack Obama in so far as he inherited a nightmare situation from his predecessor"

When Nancy Pelosi's Democrats took Congress away from Republicans in January 2007, unemployment was at 4.5%, the deficit had been cut in half to $180 billion, taxes were low, and the Dow Jones was about 14 thousand.

Some nightmare.

3 posted on 03/01/2011 5:20:57 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: decimon

Maybe because it’s just tv and makes for a good story?


4 posted on 03/01/2011 5:26:24 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: decimon

Give me Shakespeare´s.


5 posted on 03/01/2011 5:31:44 AM PST by onedoug (If)
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To: decimon
Why is King John the classic villain?

I believe this was explained some years ago:

"I got some reeeally bad advice from Rottingham..."

7 posted on 03/01/2011 5:37:00 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: decimon
King John isn't the pantomime villain of British Culture. If he was, the BBC wouldn't be rehabilitating him. That role belongs to the unfortunate Richard III, God rest his soul. Shakespeare's play has a lot to answer for....

The Richard III Society

9 posted on 03/01/2011 5:51:26 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: decimon

One of my ‘Darth Vader moments’ in genealogical research was learning I was descended from King John. Bleh. :-)


11 posted on 03/01/2011 6:04:33 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: decimon

John had to tax people to death to pay for his Brother Richards wars. That made him a villain.


13 posted on 03/01/2011 6:16:59 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: decimon
Giamatti is a very versatile actor....
...not gorgeous, but convincing!...and strangely compelling.
14 posted on 03/01/2011 7:15:24 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: decimon

In one sense, John and the Brits are analagous to King George and the colonists.

John’s abuse led to the “revolt” that produced the Magna Carta.

George’s abuse of the colonies led to the Declaration of Independence.


15 posted on 03/01/2011 7:20:37 AM PST by fruser1
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To: decimon

Didn’t John sign the Magna Carta?


17 posted on 03/01/2011 8:19:18 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: decimon

King John was not a good man
He had his little ways
And sometimes no one spoke to him
For days and days and days...

Mrs. AV


19 posted on 03/01/2011 11:23:51 AM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv

Biggest clymers of the recent (post crusades) pre-modern age?? My candidates would be Tamerlane, Edward III of England, and Gustavus Adolphus. John doesn’t even come close to any of those three.


22 posted on 03/01/2011 7:20:20 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: decimon

Interesting. Second movie about early English history in a month (the other is ‘The Eagle’, about Roman Britain). It has had a lot of tough luck, losing Peter Postelwaite (he died) and Richard Attenborough (illness), and apparently Angus MacFadyen (from ‘Braveheart’). Still has Derek Jacobi and Brian Cox, among others. Good to see that the ‘Greatest English Knight’ (Sir William Marshall) is a character.


25 posted on 03/01/2011 7:53:56 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: decimon
Why is King John the classic villain?

For some reason raping the wives, daughters and mistresses of the membors of your court tend to tick people off. Odd I know but there you are.

Then there was his quaint habit of extortion. People tend to regard that as socially unacceptable behavior.

32 posted on 03/02/2011 5:30:39 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When all you have is bolt cutters & vodka everything looks like the lock on Wolf Blitzer's boathouse)
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