Then you should get this one:
Posted on 02/26/2011 8:19:05 PM PST by Artemis Webb
I have a Taurus 94 .22LR 9 shot revolver. Does ammo make any difference as a self defense or concealed carry weapon?
“Said attacker broke off his attack,”
Seems as though your example is also a very good case of the effectiveness of the .22 to stop an attack. It worked very well.
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Interesting info, thanks.
Phoemix Arms makes a reliable .22 semi-auto. There is a simple mdification you can learn on Youtube to make the mag release and hammer release work when empty, but the little pistols are accurate, use a 3 or 5 inch barrel (easily interchangeable), hold 10 + 1, and are very concealable. I carried one for years as my CCW. With so little recoil, you will learn to get three or four rounds into a tight pattern from 25 or 30 feet, which is plenty of protection. I reccommend buying the stainless version, but even that is under $200. Practice with what you will load for carry ... IOW, buy and use CCI Stingers. The only drawback is having to cock the hammer for first shot ... I don’t reccommend carrying with hammer cocked and safety on. The value of very low recoil is accuracy with either hand ... and you MUST practice off hand shooting if you want to really be effective in self-defense with a handgun.
Yes Remington Yellow Jackets in the 40 grain conical.
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Then you should get this one:
I would think you would quickly develop Scoliosis using that for open or concealed carry.
Trivia question - which caliber handgun has killed the most people?
That’s right - .22.
Look, this guy had a simple question about what type of ammo to use in his .22. As expected, he was bombarded with a bunch of ‘mine is bigger’ responses denegrating his choice of a .22.
Its deadly, trust me. I doubt he’s trying to down a polar bear on PCP...just a good old fashioned human being.
Lets compare to arrows.
Compound Bow - 75 ft-lb
Recurve - 50 ft-lb
Super Duper Compound Bow with 800 grain! arrow - 130 ft-lb
.22 rifle - 140 ft-lb
People hunt BEAR and ELK with arrows. I will remain scaredy cat of a .22 round, and run like a little girl if a .22 is pointed at me.
To answer the original ammo question - velocity is more important than grains, so the hollow point has more energy from the start. The jacket adds like 1.5 grains, and I don’t think is necessary at close range (the bullet will penetrate). The lack of a jacket will also allow the bullet to shatter more, causing incredible damage and pain. So, plain soft lead alloy hollow point, from Wally World. Another advantage to a .22 - you can truly practice, I mean send a few hundred rounds to a target for less than 20 bucks, and get very comfortable with the weapon.
A double action pistol with a snub nose design in 22LR is a VERY bad choice for a self defense weapon!
9 shots or more, under attack, at close range, this design won’t stop much of anything. In most cases, only the first or second round will make the difference, if the attacker gets the upper hand or not. And the odds are heavily stacked in favor of the attacker.
My choice would be a Colt 1911 in .45 ACP. he first round alone will stop most attackers in the first inch of their attack. The round generates massive foot pounds of energy and penetration is lethal.
Leave your practice pistol in the holster and use it to learn how to group your shots, then take up a serious protector after you learn the basics from the snub nose .22LR.
To which I gave a considered answer. I also added some considered advice in case the guy was intending to use his .22 revolver as a primary personal protection weapon.
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Trivia question - which caliber handgun has killed the most people?
A trivial question which is irrelevant to the the more important question: which calibers of handgun are effective in obtaining the objective of personal defense - stopping an assailant.
(If I thought that the guy's intent was to kill people, I wouldn't have suggested the ammo.)
Study up on sectional density to learn why arrows are such deadly hunting weapons. Hint: they have plenty of it, 22 LR has very little sectional density.
You must have very limited fire arms and weapons experience.
Try telling that to P.O. Ackley or any Alaska Big Game guide. They will laugh you out of the room.
Good points, they also have an extremely low coefficient.
I had a 15-shot semi-auto .22 cal. rifle growing up and it kept a lot of bullies at bay (not criminals) just bullies and even gained me some respect when they found out I could shoot the squirrels eyes out at 100 yards. As previously stated the best gun is the one that scares someone away. We hope to never have to use it but if need be we will.
“So, you are saying that, “Velocity is more important than grains.”
You must have very limited fire arms and weapons experience.
Try telling that to P.O. Ackley or any Alaska Big Game guide. They will laugh you out of the room.”
Energy equation: mass times velocity squared, all divided by 450,240, to make the units work out. Plain old physics. Never changes. Velocity has much more influence on energy, or ‘stopping power’, as people here have termed it.
People may laugh at me, but I’ll stubbornly stay in the room, until they prove their point and shoot themselves in the head with a .22!
btw...I’ve forgotten half of the weapons I’ve fired, so I’ve got a teenie bit of experience, if that gives me more ‘gun cred’. but Geeze, I only had to fire the .22 ONE TIME to understand it was deadly.
“Study up on sectional density to learn why arrows are such deadly hunting weapons. Hint: they have plenty of it, 22 LR has very little sectional density.”
I’m an ex-Tanker. I know a thing or two about sectional density....think SABOT round. Its a great concept for penetrating an enemy tank armor...but I don’t think it matters in stopping a human being.
Sectional density deals with how efficiently a projectile overcomes resistance (both air, and whatever its penetrating...like tank armor or a thick animal hide). Used as a self defense weapon at close range, air resistance has little bearing on a .22. As far as penetrating the target? We’re not talking about penetrating a thick hide of a polar bear...the .22 will penetrated human flesh just fine...and shatter and create all kinds of damage when it hits bone. This is why many handgun loads are hollow point. They intentionally lower the sectional density, so more of the energy is absorbed by the target (vs going through the target).
Some Sectional Densities from a book I have:
.22 LR (40 grain) - .114
.45 ACP (165 Grain) - .116
9mm Luger (100 Grain) - .113
.357 Magnum (158 Grain) - .177
I looked up arrows online - .650
BTW - it is possible to have a sectional density that is too high...simply because there are conflicting goals such as velocity....and although other people on this thread think I’m an idiot, I guarantee velocity affects energy exponentially more than mass (simple physics of the momentum equation). Bullets and arrows have radically different sectional densities, and velocities...of course a bullet is far superior than an arrow, and a bullet has alot more energy (the cavalry beat the Indians didn’t they?). I still stand by my statement - a .22 is just as deadly as an arrow; and, it would definitely stop me cold.
Coincidentally, we just this week picked up our first shotgun (20 gauge, so wifey can handle it), so the Ruger will get fired next week for the first time in over 30 years.
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