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"Free trade" is not the solution to our problems. "Free trade" is the problem...
(vanity)

Posted on 02/13/2011 4:06:39 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

It is time to face up to the elephant in the living room, which for some reason conservative Americans are desperately determined to ignore.

"Free trade" is destroying America.

A generation ago, America was the world's preeminent power. We led the world in manufacturing. Technology. Space. Innovation. In every way, America was the best.

In a single generation, we have squandered that heritage, and now are deeply in debt to a communist nation which just one generation ago - rode only bicycles.

WTF will it take, to wake Americans (particularly conservative Americans, who should know better) up to the very real danger of stripping America of everything which made her great?


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KEYWORDS: americafirst; china; freetrade; globalism; trustthegovernment; vanity
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To: Last Dakotan
All in all, free trade where America trades freely with other like minded democracies has been a fantastic boon for this country. I know personally that 60-70% of the goods on our shop floor are for export.

Same with a company I used to work for...Made products for Mexico and China who used our parts to put into gadgets that were shipped back here...

My company finally realized their profit margin would jump if they moved our manufacturing to Mexico and China...

Good luck to ya...

61 posted on 02/13/2011 5:06:00 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: KevinDavis

Wrong, wrong, wrong, nanny nanny foo foo.


62 posted on 02/13/2011 5:06:13 PM PST by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I ask you what 1+1 is and you insist it is 3.

It is a simple question and is the low bar to any discussion about economics, micro or macro.

You are ignorant.

Please don’t pass your ignorance to others. It is damaging.

You have no basis for your opinions. They are just vapid words tossed out with no meaningful basis.

Really, stop.


63 posted on 02/13/2011 5:06:37 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: All

We must place our faith in our government. Only it can decide what is best for us. There, people much more intelligent than we can determine what is best for us in our day-to-day lives. Why the reluctance? Embrace the power of the government.


64 posted on 02/13/2011 5:06:48 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: central_va

Actually not true. There are socio-economic costs that come with semi-slave labor. Such as keeping peace, lower productivity, lower quality of produced goods, social tensions and constant threat of insurrection and unrest.

Last year there were 20,000 ‘incidents’ they had to handle China-wide. You never hear about it but it does go on. All those things combined cannot compete with a deregulated, highly efficient operation we could run here if we could get rid of gooberment interference.


65 posted on 02/13/2011 5:08:29 PM PST by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

“You are ignorant.”

-

Fair enough. And you are arrogant.

I’ll state my beliefs as clearly as I know how, with all the conviction I in fact hold them with.

You go on believing what you will. Which mostly seems to be, in your own superior intellect.

It’s a free country.


66 posted on 02/13/2011 5:09:30 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: libh8er; Cringing Negativism Network

The regulations are part of the Free Trade model. Why else would companies like GE lobby for more govt regulations. Because they know they can open plants in China while their smaller competitors have problems.


67 posted on 02/13/2011 5:12:39 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It’s a free country.

Unless you have your way, right?

68 posted on 02/13/2011 5:13:25 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
We must place our faith in our government.

You are referring to your heroes, the Chi Com government?

69 posted on 02/13/2011 5:15:07 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Look.

I’m a single lone voice in the wilderness.

I’m about as far from having my way, as it is possible for a person to be.

I am outnumbered, out spun and out financed by those who rake in massive profits selling America’s future.

But I’m not about to stop. :)

America first!


70 posted on 02/13/2011 5:16:04 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: Last Dakotan
If the goal of either currency manipulation or dumping or both is martial (i.e. the damage of a strategic industry needed for war when war is imminent), then tariffs or even a suspension of trade is required.

Otherwise, if someone like China or India has a resource (labor or otherwise) which is cheaper (even if because they are undervaluing it), non purchase of that resource weakens our markets because we are artificially propping up domestic labor and resource markets at the sacrifice of consumers.

Has this always been the case...yes. A study of the British Empire and its colonies provides a huge pile of test cases.

Must domestic industries compete with and adapt to foreign supplies of labor and resources?

Well, duh!

71 posted on 02/13/2011 5:16:12 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: 1rudeboy
Unless you have your way, right?

Gee, a ten percent import tariff is the end of the free world.

72 posted on 02/13/2011 5:16:27 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
May I humbly recommend a fantastic book on economics: “Basic Economics, A Common Sense Guide to the Economy,” written by the distinguished Thomas Sowell. Quoting Sowell: “Nothing is easier than to have good intentions but, without an understanding of how an economy works, good intentions can lead to disastrous consequences for a whole nation.”
73 posted on 02/13/2011 5:16:27 PM PST by pf flyers
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I don’t think you are understanding my point.

This isn’t an “opinion” — it is a FACT.

If someone gets on and starts posting about physics, I expect them to understand and answer questions about basic trigonometry and vector math.

If someone starts posting about chemistry, I expect them to understand fluid mechanics and answer questions about how chemicals combine and under what circumstances.

If someone starts posting about engineering, I expect them to understand what F=ma means and what G means under different circumstances.

If you post about economics I expect you to know the very basics: Q vs S as opposed to QD vs QS. If you do not know this very basic concept then you are merely doing baby talk.

As I said, it isn’t my opinion — it is a FACT. You either know economics or you do not.

You do not.


74 posted on 02/13/2011 5:16:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: central_va

Very weak. Particulary weak, even for you . . . and I keep my expectations at a very low level.


75 posted on 02/13/2011 5:16:55 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: freedumb2003; Cringing Negativism Network

Simple economics eh. When all the jobs are gone then people don’t have any money to buy stuff.

When people don’t have money to buy stuff they go on welfare.


76 posted on 02/13/2011 5:19:29 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: freedumb2003

OK that’s your opinion.

I felt bad about not putting a smiley face on my post. Now honestly thanks, for the opportunity!

:)

America first.


77 posted on 02/13/2011 5:19:38 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Profits for a few, regardless of consequences...

Profits over principle..

Nothing else matters, as America lay nearly dead on the floor.


78 posted on 02/13/2011 5:19:47 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Tariffs. Exactly. It’s our only way out of this mess. I would myself, advocate a single, across the board no loopholes, no exception 100% import tariff on EVERYTHING imported. To replace our current tax code in its entirety.

Tarriffs that high at this point would utterly destroy the economy. Example from my own industry: where are you going to buy electronics components in the US these days? There are very few even made here! And it takes many months to ramp up a new factory, even if the capital was available and it made sense economically.

You'll just Smoot-Hawley us to death, as I said earlier in the thread.

79 posted on 02/13/2011 5:19:59 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: central_va
Gee, a ten percent import tariff is the end of the free world.

End of the world for me, unless you are "patriotic" enough to pay my share. And I buy domestic products.

80 posted on 02/13/2011 5:21:35 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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