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"Free trade" is not the solution to our problems. "Free trade" is the problem...
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Posted on 02/13/2011 4:06:39 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

It is time to face up to the elephant in the living room, which for some reason conservative Americans are desperately determined to ignore.

"Free trade" is destroying America.

A generation ago, America was the world's preeminent power. We led the world in manufacturing. Technology. Space. Innovation. In every way, America was the best.

In a single generation, we have squandered that heritage, and now are deeply in debt to a communist nation which just one generation ago - rode only bicycles.

WTF will it take, to wake Americans (particularly conservative Americans, who should know better) up to the very real danger of stripping America of everything which made her great?


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KEYWORDS: americafirst; china; freetrade; globalism; trustthegovernment; vanity
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Protectionism DOES NOT WORK.


21 posted on 02/13/2011 4:26:34 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

ping


22 posted on 02/13/2011 4:26:42 PM PST by RC one
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Free trade should be what we practice domestically.

Unfettered.

Internationally, we should ruthlessly look out for only our own America.

We’re currently, doing exactly the opposite in both regards.


23 posted on 02/13/2011 4:28:03 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: The Watcher

It’s worked pretty well for China.


24 posted on 02/13/2011 4:28:44 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
You never learn. Same economic illiteracy, different day.

Only when our government decides which companies and industries should receive protection will we have fair trade. The government will certainly offer this protection only to companies needing it and would never do it for political purposes. Unions and other special interests have no influence over what the government does.

If the state knows what's best for us when it comes to trade, why wouldn't it also know what's best for the entire economy? I mean, just think of all the good government could do if we'd simply trust them with the entire economy. Jobs and wealth would be everywhere and there would be no need for entitlement programs. What a world that would be!

Higher prices and greater regulation of business is what we need. The smart people understand that increased costs and more regulations will spur growth, create jobs, and make our economy the envy of the world. When it comes to trade, conservatives can trust government to do the right thing. Just look at the record......

25 posted on 02/13/2011 4:29:01 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As usual, people with no concept of what they speak bring a problem without a solution.

2 questions:

1) What is the difference between supply and demand and quantity supplied and quantity demanded? If you can’t answer this, don’t bother with question 2.

2) Given the real world situation, what do you propose? Tariffs? Taxes? Reverse Taxes? Your whine needs some cheese.


26 posted on 02/13/2011 4:29:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The biggest problem we have is the government!!!


27 posted on 02/13/2011 4:30:31 PM PST by mountainlion (The government is not my god no matter how much they preach.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

China is another house of cards waiting to come down...


28 posted on 02/13/2011 4:31:46 PM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You are wrong, They are subsides everything. There is a real estate bubble building right now. Their government will have to pass that cost on to “the market” at some point in time.


29 posted on 02/13/2011 4:31:53 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
China is like a patient who has been in a coma. It is now awake and absorbing the technological developments made during its coma.

Of course it is going to grow faster than a developed country. It has a greater distance to cover to catch up with modernity.

The issue is not that we shouldn't trade and trade freely but that we are not taken advantage of by currency manipulations and resource dumping. There is opportunity for mutual profit.

America's problems are its own government and its regulations, cost, interference.

30 posted on 02/13/2011 4:32:46 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: freedumb2003

Tariffs.

Exactly. It’s our only way out of this mess.

I would myself, advocate a single, across the board no loopholes, no exception 100% import tariff on EVERYTHING imported. To replace our current tax code in its entirety.

That way, government bureaucrats have ZERO hand in picking winners and losers. The market decides.

Increasingly and immediately — that market will begin deciding to manufacture things right here in the United States of America.


31 posted on 02/13/2011 4:33:38 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; farlander; WilliamHouston; cripplecreek
Move the corporate rate to 0%, pass right-to-work laws

Outstanding choice.

Not saying unions are the answer.

Right to work laws kill the unions sure.

But they make it so you do have the right to work. But without any real protection. The corporations get to reap the profits, keep your wage LOW. If you complain they just fire your ass and get someone else.

I suggest they pass some laws that put people, who are nothing more than common thieves, in prison for the rest of their unnatural lives.

32 posted on 02/13/2011 4:34:19 PM PST by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Now that the gov’t has ruined our industrial base, they are in the process of doubling down, and aiming for our “energy”.


33 posted on 02/13/2011 4:34:19 PM PST by radioone (Proud to be an enemy of Obama)
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To: rottndog

The stubborn, reflexive denial is strong on this thread.


34 posted on 02/13/2011 4:34:56 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
All in all, free trade where America trades freely with other like minded democracies has been a fantastic boon for this country. I know personally that 60-70% of the goods on our shop floor are for export.

The American public sees the problem with one-sided free trade. That is where we have opened our markets to foreign countries (principally in Asia) who in turn have closed their markets by currency manipulations or a variety of tariff and non-tariff barriers.

The Republicans ignore this at their peril.

35 posted on 02/13/2011 4:35:29 PM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Unfortunately we haven’t had “free” trade for quite a while. The days of free trade were before the WTO and other global socialist organizations.

People need to take a long look at the American revolution to understand how much it had to do with being forced to deal only through great Britain. They basically played the role of WTO to the colonies and they did it as a means of control. The Tea Act undercut American sellers (smugglers) who were funding a growing rebellion.

The last two questions asked of Ben Franklin during his examination of the house of commons regarding the stamp act are quite telling. (The colonists were telling the Brits to take their trinkets and shove them up their ass)

>>Q. What used to be the pride of the Americans?

A. To indulge in the fashions and manufactures of Great Britain.

Q. What is now their pride?

A. To wear their old clothes over again till they can make new ones.<<

http://www.bartleby.com/268/8/10.html


36 posted on 02/13/2011 4:37:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: backwoods-engineer
Given that, I can tell you with certainty: any serious attempt at trade protectionism, a la Smoott-Hawley, will take out present recession and plunge it into a full-blown, deep depression that will will not recover from for years.

What? China is going to stop buying our scrap metal and scrap paper? Currently the container ships going back to China have to take on water for ballast they are so empty.

37 posted on 02/13/2011 4:38:05 PM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; All

A generation ago the rest of the world was bombed out (after WWII) or had no factories.. We had the luxury of not getting hit like the rest of the world. We tried high tariffs and it didn’t work. The cause is Government regulation overkill..


38 posted on 02/13/2011 4:38:34 PM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This isn’t about Free Trade, it is a communist plot to destroy our industrial base so that we can never again win another war of attrition. This will leave China in a position too dominate ASIA and the pacific rim. The ChiComs think long term.


39 posted on 02/13/2011 4:39:38 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bigheadfred; All

What ever comrade.. Most corporations will automate the factories even more.. In fact in 10 or 20 years I for see no factory workers but only robots... Also a job is not a right nor is a living wage..


40 posted on 02/13/2011 4:41:47 PM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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