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"Free trade" is not the solution to our problems. "Free trade" is the problem...
(vanity)

Posted on 02/13/2011 4:06:39 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

It is time to face up to the elephant in the living room, which for some reason conservative Americans are desperately determined to ignore.

"Free trade" is destroying America.

A generation ago, America was the world's preeminent power. We led the world in manufacturing. Technology. Space. Innovation. In every way, America was the best.

In a single generation, we have squandered that heritage, and now are deeply in debt to a communist nation which just one generation ago - rode only bicycles.

WTF will it take, to wake Americans (particularly conservative Americans, who should know better) up to the very real danger of stripping America of everything which made her great?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: americafirst; china; freetrade; globalism; trustthegovernment; vanity
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Free trade should be what we practice domestically. Unfettered. Internationally, we should ruthlessly look out for only our own America. We’re currently, doing exactly the opposite in both regards."

Thank you, Cringing Negativism Network for starting this timely and heartfelt thread. I can tell from your posts that you love this great Nation, as do I.

It is, indeed, Tariff Time.
141 posted on 02/13/2011 5:58:56 PM PST by saltlick
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My point is, I feel free trade policies were stacked against the U.S. from the beginning, and feel the U.S. Government intentionally used those policies against us, and compounded that betrayal of the American people by following with ever increasing tax, regulation and control of *everything*.

In other words, the free trade policies were likely a set up....

142 posted on 02/13/2011 5:59:06 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Re. your Donald Trump comment:

I believe the KKK has uttered the phrase “America First” on occasion, yet I haven't seen them “catapulted to national prominence”. You are easily impressed.

Donald Trump is a cheap hustler. He will say or do anything to enrich/empower “The Donald”. A common thief & liar would make a better President.

143 posted on 02/13/2011 5:59:34 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
But I have a brain, two eyes and the ability to see.

And your brain and eyes tell you that our problems will be solved by giving the federal government greater power and more of our money?

144 posted on 02/13/2011 5:59:34 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

>>I think you do not understand communist China.<<

You have now entered bizarro world.

I ask again:

1) WHAT DO YOU SAY MY POSITION IS AND PLEASE QUOTE THE POST THAT SUPPORTS IT?

2) HOW IS IT YOU CLAIM TO HAVE TAKEN ECONOMICS CLASSES YET CANNOT DEFINE S V D VS QS V QD?

You keep talking about Communism and stuff with absolutely no foundation — either in theory or in what I have said.

Calling you out on your ignorance doesn’t make me a Communist — it just means you have been called out on your ignorance.


145 posted on 02/13/2011 6:00:19 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: dragnet2

Many of these foreign countries spend a lot of money lobbying our politicians.


146 posted on 02/13/2011 6:01:01 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bigheadfred

So let me get this straight.

If someone is squalling like a gut shot panther for an answer, and I supply that answer, I can demand that they STFU?

But basically, as long as the U.S. Dollar is the money used in most global transactions we can print as much as we like and ever thing will be fine, just fine?

Don’t need no jobs. Don’t need no manufacturing. We just need to make sure we don’t piss ever body off so much they start using Iranian Rials instead of dollars.

Cause if the rest of the world decides to get Rial we are screwed.

Right?

Right.


147 posted on 02/13/2011 6:01:01 PM PST by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Doe Eyes
Absolutely, unions and the minimum wage have priced American factories out of the market (even out of domestic markets). And on top of that, union rules and intervention have killed domestic quality.

As a final point, if we think Chinese and Indian labor are pricing American union workers out of the market...wait until real fully automated factories enter the marketplace (coming soon)...even Chinese labor will look expensive by comparison.

In fact, the era of labor is actually over...China and India are just catching the tail end of it.

Future labor will be software and hardware engineers.

148 posted on 02/13/2011 6:01:20 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: Mister Da

Oh man, not red herring for dinner again. :)


149 posted on 02/13/2011 6:01:32 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: freedumb2003

So when confronted with a diametrical opposite position, your solution is to talk louder?

Gosh I so agree with you now. :)


150 posted on 02/13/2011 6:03:15 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: 1rudeboy; RaceBannon

“The idea of Mom & Pop machine shops supplying parts to Fortune 100 manufacturing companies died in the 1990’s. Are you just getting around to realizing it?”

A good friend of mine runs a “mom and pop” design company. His companies main customers are Fortune 25 companies.


151 posted on 02/13/2011 6:03:45 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
My point is, I feel free trade policies were stacked against the U.S. from the beginning, and feel the U.S. Government intentionally used those policies against us, and compounded that betrayal of the American people by following with ever increasing tax, regulation and control of *everything*.

In other words, the free trade policies were likely a set up....

Many of these foreign countries spend a lot of money lobbying our politicians.

Exactly...A set up? Were they paid off?

152 posted on 02/13/2011 6:04:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 1rudeboy
They refuse to admit that they're asking for bigger government and higher taxes. They'll plead that they don't believe in bigger government except when it comes to trade. As if when it comes to trade, the government all of a sudden becomes responsible, capable and reliable.

The hypocrisy of demanding bigger government and higher taxes on a conservative forum is lost on them.

153 posted on 02/13/2011 6:06:24 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: dragnet2

So.

Similar to the way Imperial Japanese occupying forces, controlled (Republic of) China territory they had invaded.

History is repeating. We however, are on the losing end of what is happening.

Seemingly, determined not to notice.


154 posted on 02/13/2011 6:07:32 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Trump 2012 - America First)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

“Future labor will be software and hardware engineers. “

BWAHHAHHAHHHAHHAAAA

As long as you are willing to work in Mumbai.


155 posted on 02/13/2011 6:07:49 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Don’t know what you mean by “design company.” I’m talking about the Mom & Pop machine shops that I used to see on Telegraph or Michigan or Warren when I worked in Detroit. They’re gone, and they’re not coming back . . . no matter how much one of these FR econ imbeciles decides to charge me.


156 posted on 02/13/2011 6:08:14 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: libh8er

>>There’s a simple way to teach economics. Go back to the days of cave men. Tell them they are free to do anything they want other than stealing from or hurting/killing each other.<<

That is sort of my point. They won’t “recreate economic theory.” What they will do is create an economic model. Economic theory provides tools to defined and describe the model — and to some degree predict the results of the implemented economic model.

But you still need those tools, just as you need mathematical tools to describe relationships. You can’t say something is twice the size of something else without the mathematical toolset of arithmetic and the specific tool of multiplication.

For someone to come along and say “well, I know economics because I spend money and work” is like someone saying “I can tell Item A is twice the size as Item B” without the ability to multiply.

This is merely about knowledge.


157 posted on 02/13/2011 6:08:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
So much for intelligent dialog. Good night foolish one!
158 posted on 02/13/2011 6:10:04 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mase
The hypocrisy of demanding bigger government and higher taxes on a conservative forum is lost on them.

I think they get it, actually . . . it's why they change the subject as soon as they can.

159 posted on 02/13/2011 6:10:19 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: saltlick
Who gets the revenue from the tariffs and what is it spent on (you understand that it is a tax on consumers, right?).

I think Obama would love to levy tariffs!

160 posted on 02/13/2011 6:11:10 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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