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Vanity- Need some advice on an old shotgun
myself | 2/6/2011 | myself- Victor

Posted on 02/06/2011 9:49:00 AM PST by Victor

Need some Freeper help. I recently acquired an old double-barrel, side by side 12 gauge shotgun in decent shape. The inscription reads "Riverside Arms, Chicopee Falls Mass".

I think the gun was probably made in the 1930's.

Here's my question: both 3 inch and 2.75 inch shells fit into the breech, but is this gun safely able to fire a 3 inch higher velocity shell? Is this even an issue with single and double shot shotguns, and the 2.75 vs 3 inch loads a discussion for pump and auto loaders....?

Thanks y'all.


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KEYWORDS: 3inchshells; banglist; damascusbarrel; vanity
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1 posted on 02/06/2011 9:49:02 AM PST by Victor
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To: Victor

I have no advice but would love to see a picture of the gun:)


2 posted on 02/06/2011 9:49:59 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

I’ll try to see if I can upload a pic...


3 posted on 02/06/2011 9:51:49 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Victor
but is this gun safely able to fire a 3 inch higher velocity shell?

NO!

Further more, make sure its not a Damascus barrel before you fire it all.

4 posted on 02/06/2011 9:52:37 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: Victor

Where can you find information about a Riverside Arms 12 gauge pump shotgun marked 5489-B and Proof Tested 12 Ga only?
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Answer

It is a Stevens gun, general utility type shotgun. Value around $200 in good condition.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_can_you_find_information_about_a_Riverside_Arms_12_gauge_pump_shotgun_marked_5489-B_and_Proof_Tested_12_Ga_only#ixzz1DCbG0slS


5 posted on 02/06/2011 9:53:15 AM PST by umgud
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No.


6 posted on 02/06/2011 9:53:19 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Damn! I’m not certain 3” shells were available in the 30’s. Good question. Time to do a little research.


7 posted on 02/06/2011 9:53:19 AM PST by x1stcav (Obama: The Mistake of '08.)
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To: MrPiper

What’s a Damascus barrel...?


8 posted on 02/06/2011 9:53:29 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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Google it,,, the grain of the barrel material has a visible twist to it.


9 posted on 02/06/2011 9:56:34 AM PST by MrPiper
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Damascus barrels were made of twisted steel. Hot rods were twisted around a mandrel and then hammered to make the rods into a single piece. As the age, they get very weak. Modern barrels are bored from a single piece of rod stock...

If you look carefully at the barrel, you might be able to see the twisting patter in the metal.

Don’t shoot if you’re not sure about the barrel, take it to a gunsmith to be checked out.

G


10 posted on 02/06/2011 9:57:11 AM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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Thanks, will do. Will the Damascus barrel be OK with the 2.75 inch load?


11 posted on 02/06/2011 9:57:43 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Victor

It refers to the type of steel, Damascus steel, as well as the method of manufacture. They weren’t actually true Damascus steel as that manufacturing technique has been lost to the ages.

But the look is similar to the original product. It will not take the pressures generated by modern ammunition.


12 posted on 02/06/2011 9:58:56 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: GRRRRR

Good advice...I will take it to a gunsmith in any case. The safety only locks one of the triggers.


13 posted on 02/06/2011 9:59:28 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Victor

3 inch shotgun shells do not generally give higher velocities. Rather they hold more shot. Subsequently they generate higher pressures when fired.


14 posted on 02/06/2011 10:00:15 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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Thanks, will do. Will the Damascus barrel be OK with the 2.75 inch load?

No. IMHO.

15 posted on 02/06/2011 10:01:01 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Victor

No. Damascus was used from 1880 to about 1930. Take is to get checked out.


16 posted on 02/06/2011 10:01:48 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: Lurker

I bought some 2.75 inch 00 buckshot at about 1100 fps velocity....and some 3 inch #2 shot at about 1550 fps rating.


17 posted on 02/06/2011 10:02:09 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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Will the Damascus barrel be OK with the 2.75 inch load?

No,,, if it is a Damascus barrel, its a wall hanger. Looks only.

18 posted on 02/06/2011 10:02:41 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper; All

Glad I asked the question. Thanks everyone.


19 posted on 02/06/2011 10:04:39 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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Thanks, will do. Will the Damascus barrel be OK with the 2.75 inch load?

NO. Damascus barreled guns are wall hangers. Even if you use shells reloaded with blackpowder, you don't know the integrity of the barrel.

20 posted on 02/06/2011 10:04:46 AM PST by fso301
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