LINDBERGH SEES STALEMATE, SO URGES NEGOTIATED PEACE; 14,000 CAPTURED AT TOBRUK (1/24/41)

Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 1/24/41 | Harold B. Hinton, Edward Kennedy, Frank L. Kluckhohn, Lansing Warren, Hugh Byas, Hanson W. Baldwin

[BroJoeK]

dfwgator: "My conspiracy theory is that Stalin, who was every bit as anti-semitic as Hitler, allowed Hitler to invade the parts of the Soviet Union with the most Jews, so as to allow Hitler to take care of Stalin's "Jewish Problem." "

There were many ethnic Jews in Stalin's government, so Stalin was not in 1941 opposed to Jews as a "race," the way Hitler was (yes, near the end of his life, Stalin turned on Jews too).

What Stalin did oppose, almost as violently as Hitler, was disloyalty.
And the Ukraine and other western Soviet areas were hotbeds of disloyalty, indeed, many at first welcomed German armies with cheers & flowers.

Remember, Stalin had already punished the Ukraine during the 1930s, the great Stalin-made starvation today called the Holodomor:

By 1941, Stalin had already killed 5+ million Ukrainians, so why not let Hitler kill a few million more?

[BroJoeK]

CougarGA7: "There is plenty of responsibility to go around on all levels, but again, there is no evidence that F.D.R. deliberately let his fleet get attacked and sunk to get the U.S. in the war."

In fact, there is plenty of evidence, which you will steadfastly ignore, deny or explain away, but which nevertheless shows, among other things, the following:

1. Top brass in Washington was warned many times, and expected an attack on Pearl Harbor, but failed to adequately warn commanders in Hawaii.

2. Top brass in Washington had long developed an action plan to provoke a Japanese attack, an attack which was absolutely necessary to unite the US politically, and cause a Congressional Declaration of all-out War.

3. Top brass in Washington, in written orders, specifically directed Pacific fleet commanders to allow the Japanese to strike the first military blow.

4. Other "war warnings" to commanders in Hawaii in fact misdirected them to prepare for local sabotage, when top brass in Washington knew the real threat was carrier born aircraft.

As to what did Roosevelt expect -- no doubt he did not expect the nearly complete destruction of his battleship fleet and air forces in Hawaii.

But he knew the attack was coming, and he needed the attack to bring the US into the war. So he did nothing to stop it.

That's what the evidence shows, imho.

[CougarGA7]

I’m ignoring nothing. You keep moving forward and I will continue to show the fallacy in your argument. Sure we will both be able to agree that there were mistakes made. If there were not the attack would not have caught them off guard. You will not be able to prove that FDR knew and let it happen though through anything else but supposition and evidence presented by two very poorly written books. I sure hope you bring something else to the party or else you will be at a severe disadvantage.