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New math theories reveal the nature of numbers
Emory University ^ | January 20, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 01/20/2011 7:35:04 AM PST by decimon

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To: Hegewisch Dupa; solitonic
Shame you don't post more.

Hear! Hear!

41 posted on 01/21/2011 8:08:17 PM PST by onedoug
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To: SuperLuminal

:’D


42 posted on 01/22/2011 6:03:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Like, *PING*, dude.

Cheers!

43 posted on 01/22/2011 9:00:03 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I hope you realize there are actually no fractals in nature. Fractals depend on having an infinitely divisible space, and actual physical space (as opposed to the abstractions we mathematicians deal with) is not infinitely divisible: no measurement finer than the Planck scale can be made.

There are a whole lot of natural recursive patterns that look like approximations to fractals (because if one works out how the recursion would go for infinitely many steps — assuming an infinitely divisible space — one gets a fractal), but there aren’t actually any fractals in the physical universe.


44 posted on 01/22/2011 4:29:05 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Washi
So, what are the practical, real world applications/uses of being able to determine the number of partitions of large number?

Off-hand, I don't know any. On the other hand, that's not really a relevant question. The mathematics underpinning RSA encryption was about 300 years old when it was finally put to practical use. The mathematics underlying general relativity had been done without any application in sight over the 30 years or so before Einstein used it (and w/o understanding general relativity, neither atomic energy nor the GPS system would be possible). The Radon transform uses in medical imaging was discovered in the 1930's w/o any practical application in mind.

Mathematical results (which oddly, as some fundamental level are all tautologies -- the weird thing is that there are non-obvious tautologies that have to be discovered) have an infinite shelf-life, and often turn out to be surprisingly useful years later.

Actually, we've been able to determine the number of partitions of a large number for years, the curious thing Ono claims to have done is give an ordinary formula for the number. (The term of art is a "closed formula", which basically is a formula made out of the operations on a calculator, with nothing like a sum whose number of terms depends on the value n, or a place where one uses one formula of something is true, and a different formula if it's not.)

It turns out p(n) is the coefficient of x^n when one computes the product of (1 - x^k)^(-1) for k=1,. . . n by writing each factor as a geometric series (1 + x^k + x^(2k) + . . .) then multiplying them and collecting terms. (If one is willing to allow infinitely many factors with k ranging over all the counting numbers one gets a product whose value is the series (1 + p(1)x + p(2)x^2 + p(3)x^3 +. . . .) .

For practical purposes, one is left with the question of whether evaluating Ono's formula has a lower computational complexity than the procedure I just described. Now that we have computers, a closed formula may not even be useful if it's slower to compute than some other algorithm that computes the same value.

45 posted on 01/22/2011 4:49:27 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David; Washi
So, what are the practical, real world applications/uses of being able to determine the number of partitions of large number?

If we didn't do anything without a "practical, real world application" being immediately evident, mankind would still be sitting around cold, naked, and starving, picking vermin out of each other's hair.
46 posted on 01/22/2011 4:52:42 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

At times FR really needs a “like” button for comments. This is one of them.


47 posted on 01/22/2011 5:14:01 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: null and void
There are few things that produce a bigger high than discovering/knowing something no one else on earth knows.

How do you know? Have you experienced that? How do you know no one else knows it? If the others knowing don't publicize it how do you know about their knowledge? Sort of a tree falling in the forest thing.

I prefer Churchill's comment: "There is nothing quite as exhilarating as being shot at and missed!" That, I have experienced and I agree.

48 posted on 01/24/2011 8:36:32 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

It does get your blood racing, doesn’t it? The first time, I remember thinking, “What made him choose me as his target?” Just chance was my determination.


49 posted on 01/24/2011 8:52:41 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: youngidiot
What tha hell? Makes them sound like a couple of stoners.

Yes, in a way ... there's something intoxicating about finding a relatively simple answer to a big question. Laughter is a common response.

50 posted on 01/24/2011 9:00:23 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Have you experienced that? How do you know no one else knows it? If the others knowing don't publicize it how do you know about their knowledge?

Yes. Some of them were later patented. By the results of their efforts, if you know a simple technique that prevents certain defects in the final product, and your competitors' parts have those defects you can be fairly certain they don't know the cure.

51 posted on 01/24/2011 9:13:41 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 734 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
Yes. Some of them were later patented.

Good for you. I think "new" ideas are simply new associations of old ideas. Was that your experience?

52 posted on 01/24/2011 9:36:06 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Sort of. Mostly pulling stuff from widely disparate and unrelated fields and combining and adapting them, some inspiration from The Great Inventor (it’s pretty hard to beat a couple billion years of evolution) and such.

Occasionally something really new happens, though.


53 posted on 01/24/2011 9:50:26 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 734 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

You are answering the question I was asking and reinforcing my own thoughts. Associating ideas from disparate fields is what I had in mind. Intuition is also key.

I read a book called Connections, by John Burke, I think, which traced history just that way. He showed how history was not linear but that things in one area would lead to something else in another and then off society would go in that new area.


54 posted on 01/24/2011 10:10:43 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

You should watch the Connections series.


55 posted on 01/25/2011 7:27:28 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 734 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
You should watch the Connections series.

Thank you. I didn't know there was one. I tracked it down and I will watch it. Thanks again.

56 posted on 01/26/2011 12:44:23 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I think you will love it. Enjoy!


57 posted on 01/26/2011 12:45:24 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 736 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: solitonic

Agree with HD. Thanks for taking the time ...


58 posted on 01/26/2011 12:50:24 PM PST by glennaro
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To: solitonic

bttt


59 posted on 01/27/2011 3:45:00 PM PST by txhurl
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