BBC:Roman Rise, Fall 'Recorded in Trees' (Climate Change Led to Fall of Empire) BARF-A-GANZA!

BBC News ^ | January 14, 2010 | Mark Kinver

[lbryce]

An extensive study of tree growth rings says there could be a link between the rise and fall of past civilisations and sudden shifts in Europe's climate.

A team of researchers based their findings on data from 9,000 wooden artifacts from the past 2,500 years.

They found that periods of warm, wet summers coincided with prosperity, while political turmoil occurred during times of climate instability.

The findings have been published online by the journal Science.

"Looking back on 2,500 years, there are examples where climate change impacted human history," co-author Ulf Buntgen, a paleoclimatologist at the Swiss Federal Research Institute for Forest, Snow and Landscape, told the Science web Ring record

The team capitalised on a system used to date material unearthed during excavations.

"Archaeologists have developed oak ring width chronologies from Central Europe that cover nearly the entire Holocene and have used them for the purpose of dating artefacts, historical buildings, antique artwork and furniture," they wrote.

"Chronologies of living and relict oaks may reflect distinct patterns of summer precipitation and drought."

The team looked at how weather over the past couple of centuries affected living trees' growth rings.

[P-Marlowe]

When was any of the Climate Change that changed history caused by human activity?

And who is to say that the coming climate change (whatever it is) is going to be a bad thing?

Maybe it will lead to the downfall of communism.

[Repeal The 17th]

“...Looking back on 2,500 years there are examples where climate change impacted human history...”
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Burn in hell, you blasphemer!
Our Gore-god teaches us just the opposite - humans effect the climate.

[bunkerhill7]

The Fall of the Roman Empire was caused

by the sudden expansion of gardening across Europe

for ingredients for Caesar Salads,

which led to massive deforestation and

sudden expansion of the Roman Army,

which led to massive deflowerings all across Europe,

caused by Roman hands and gropal warmings

[Diogenesis]

Rome came down because of the latifundia, the barbarians
and lead poisoning.

Today, we have illegal immigrants, terrorists,
and mercury/hormones-in-the-Thames poisoning.

SSDD.

[beezdotcom]

I think you are misdirecting your ire here. There is a lot of documented science regarding climate change and the decline of civilizations, such as the Maya, the Anasazi and the Roman Empire. And the Little Ice Age let to widespread human misery in Europe less than 1,000 years ago - after the relative prosperity of the Medival Warm Period (yep, warming is usually GOOD).

The problem comes when the AGW crowd ignores or tries to pretend that past natural climatic shifts never happened, as they try to label modern climate shifts as human-caused (and the infamous hockey-stick graph is a prime example of that).

EXACTLY. The take-away here is that AGW believers are tilting at windmills. We would be much better served to focus on possible adaptations to climate change than to try to remove whatever miniscule effect we MIGHT be having on climate.

[okie01]

No words can express the sense of utter ridicule I have for these kooks. There seems nothing is too bogus, too shameless, too contemptuous for these Gore-inspired moonbats to try pulling over on us...

Something is missing here. There is no explanation of exactly what it was that the Romans were doing to bring about climate change and, thus, their own demise.

Did the baths pollute the Mediterranean?

Was it all that salt sowed at Carthage?

Was it all the lion poop disposed of in the dump behind the Coliseum?

What was it, dammit? We need to know, so that we can save ourselves?

[blam]

Professor Mike Baillie is not a kook. He has done some excellent work with dendrochronology (tree rings)

Exodus To Arthur

Professor Mike Baillie is an expert in the field of dendrochronology, that is, tree-ring dating, at Queen's University, Belfast. Over the past 100 years, scientists across the globe have been reconstructing a global chronology of tree growth going back 10,000 years. Because tree growth varies from year to year based on environmental conditions, it is possible to study the chronologies to build up a picture of the climate that existed when these trees were alive. Using this method, scholars have identified evidence of alarming environmental events in the past, affecting the entire planet, with profound consequences for the human groups living at those times.

The Dark Ages : Were They Darker Than We Imagined?

[bunkerhill7]

BBC:Roman Rise, Fall 'Recorded in Trees' (Climate Change Led to Fall of Empire) BARF-A-GANZA!

Branches ? Branches?!!

We ain`t got no strinkin branches!!

We don` need no stinkin` branches!!

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

You’ll love this!
“Scientists reset doomsday clock” Why? Take a wild guess!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6270871.stm

[silverleaf]

How much were the Romans paying for gas before their empire collapsed? Enquiring minds want to know...

[silverleaf]

The drying up of North Africa and reduction in grain production contributed to the fall of Rome

However the melting of the mile-thick ice sheet over Manhattan greatly improved NYC night life and business.

[Happy Rain]

Yeah,there was a nasty climate change and some bright guy in the barbarian hordes said:

“Brrrr! Hey fellas,I got a great idea—lets vacation in Italy where it is nice and warm! After we slaughter and loot the locals we can catch the South Appian interstate out of Rome and be chillin’ on the beaches near Naples by late December!”

[okie01]

During the time of the Roman Empire, North Africa and Egypt were vast grain producing regions. The drying up of North Africa and reduction in grain production contributed to the fall of Rome.

And the ensuing cold drove the Goths and the Visigoths south, into Roman territory.

[Allegra]

[IamConservative]

Caligula’s hoopty be a fly Escalade..

[Carry_Okie]

IMO, while this report is probably linked to the bogus AGW agenda, I’d heard about this possibility of weather-induced crop failure precipitating the fall of the Roman Empire long before that AGW agenda got going.

[ridesthemiles]

Oh, Please!!!

A single Tornado ‘IMPACTS” humans.

[jdege]

That climate change has resulted in the collapse of civilization isn’t news, it’s not controversial, and it’s not unexpected.

What is unexpected is that anyone would be so lost in the warmist theology to think that this has any relevance to the global warming mythology.

The chain of logic is:

1: human production of greenhouse gases is causing climate change, and
2: climate change has caused civilizational collapse, therefore
3: we must reduce human production of greenhouse gases

Except that their historical examples involved cooling, not warming, and occurred at times when there was no measurable production of greenhouse gases.

These historical examples prove two things:

1: climate change happens on its own, without human involvement, and
2: a warmer climate is generally beneficial to human civilization.

[Hugin]

No need for a barf alert. What they are saying is that during warm, wet periods (Roman, Medieval) people thrived, in colder periods they didn’t. Since this change occured before industritalization, it is evidence AGAINST tne “man-made global warming castastophe” theory on both counts. It shows climate change is normal, and warm is good.

[Leo Carpathian]

Just sick to what extent progressives - commies try to control freedom loving people.
Weather changes and energy is from SUN. If sun “goes out or tilts,” we see tremendous fluctuation of temperature (day - night, summer - winter) plus variation from the sunspot activity (11-year cycle). Humans can do as much to change any of that, as Obama can cause global flood by pissing in the ocean.
We are slowly coming out of one of deepest minima in solar sunspot activity and looks like next maxima will be shallow. That causes atmosphere/ionosphere to shrink, more dense and causing more extreme weather. Any hams knows that, propagation on higher ham bands stinks at minimum.
The whole global whatever is another extortion scheme to screw us out of OUR money. All the gummit crooks and scientwists should be thrown in the medieval prisons to rot.
What's next? Taxing our breathing?