Posted on 01/10/2011 8:57:06 AM PST by cowboyway
It was 150 years ago today that Florida declared itself sovereign from the United States.
Some Southern states have marked the anniversaries of secession with celebrations; in South Carolina, a secession gala was met with protests and controversy.
In Florida, a reenactment was quietly held by the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Tallahassee on Saturday, where about 40 volunteers dressed in period attire performed a condensed version of the convention. It was at that convention where a 62-7 vote led to secession in 1861, making Florida the third state to leave and later join the Confederate States of America.
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Rulings reflect the politics of the justices. That is very clear in the many 5 to 4 rulings we’ve had in recent years.
I remember one decision by Chief Justice John Marshall (a Federalist and my blood cousin, btw) where he told one of the writers of the Constitution who was a participant in the case that he was wrong about what the Constitution meant. Marshall was a slave owner; I’ve been in his house. His grandson was a colonel in the Confederate army.
In the House, the vote was 105–64 in favor of the tariff. Only one representative out of forty from the seceded states voted for it. The Morrill Tariff passed the Senate 25 to 14 about a year later on February 20, 1861. 24 Republicans voted for the bill and one Democrat. No Republican voted against it. Had the Southern Senators who resigned been there the bill might have been defeated, but it wouldn't have made any difference. A head count made by Texas Senator Wigfall in December 1860 showed that the new Senate that would come in with Lincoln would pass the tariff. Some "clout."
That good ol' faux Southern boy you say favored the South, Pennsylvanian James Buchanan, signed the bill on March 2, 1861. Perhaps he was just sticking Lincoln with the after effects of this albatross of a bill that Lincoln favored.
So you then agree then that secession was all about protecting slavery.
On that we agree. But in Lincoln's case they didn't, at least not until after he was dead (e.g., Ex Parte Milligan) and could no longer arrest judges and legislators.
So, if you compare Lincoln's actions with those of other wartime leaders (i.e., Wilson, FDR), he doesn't look so bad, imho.
I've always thought Lincoln's actions during the war had to be scary to those who understood the Constitution. Was this guy who tossed people in jail for criticizing his actions going to turn out to be a tyrant? He ignored a valid order of the Chief Justice of the United States against his suspension of habeas corpus. According to allegations in the Congressional Globe, Lincoln's troops struck Democrats off the ballot in some places in some elections and prevented Democrats from voting in other places, arresting them for the day. Two of Lincoln's generals prohibited the distribution of Democrat newspapers for months before the 1864 election. General Butler said he had done all he could to prevent secessionists from voting in New York in 1864.
Lambdin Milligan of Ex Parte Milligan had said the following (in 1864 I think), though this was not what he was arrested for.
... we will maintain, peaceably if we can, but forcibly if we must, the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of the person from arbitrary and unlawful arrest, and the freedom of the ballot box, from the aggression and violence of every person and authority whatsoever.
... we will resist by force any attempt to abridge the elective franchise, whether by introduction of illegal votes, under military authority, or by the attempt by Federal Officers to intimidate the citizen by threats of oppression.
The South seceded. The South was justified to start a revolution according to the President. We choose not too. Ask Slave owner Anderson why he occupied the fort against the orders of the President.
If occupying the fort was legal..why did Slave owner Anderson order his men to sneak into the fort at night, pretending to be workers and not soldiers.
Once the works was illegally occupied the President had a fit and ordered the slave owner to return. Anderson refused.
The plantation owners purchased their farm implements from Cincinnati, the clothing for slaves from Boston, the cotton was shipped to England via the port in New York. When the South seceded this upset the merchants...made them so angry they demanded war. Trade begins wars not slavery.
Slavery made the North rich...even built those guvment buildings in Washington City.
Anderson didn't have any orders against occupying Sumter. His orders were to hold, to the best of his ability, all of the US forts around Charleston Harbor. He felt that his men would be safer inside Sumter.
If occupying the fort was legal..why did Slave owner Anderson order his men to sneak into the fort at night, pretending to be workers and not soldiers.
Because he was afraid that if his intentions were known, the South Carolinians would have attempted to use force to stop him.
Once the works was illegally occupied the President had a fit and ordered the slave owner to return. Anderson refused
Buchanan never ordered Anderson to abandon Sumter, and in fact ordered him reinforced and resupplied via "The Star of the West"
tonka toy ,, I know H.K. , met him and his brother Terry here in Montgomery,Al ,when he was on his march to Texas, One fine gentleman , you should take time to know him before you start mouthing off.
“Why don’t you just post a link to your fake photo”
One of the links to the photo was posted. You said it is fake..
Prove it is fake.
LOVE the pics, bushpilot1:) Have any more?
Yeah, and Sarah Palin is responsible for the Tucson shootings.
Geez, you guys are shameless. You claim to fly the conservative banner but embrace leftist tactics with gusto.
Nice work. Did you make that up all by yourself or did NS lend a hand?
None of that changes the fact that Edgerton is paid good money to parade around in a confederate uniform to make the hooples feel better about themselves.
We are waiting for you to provide proof..the legitimate 1958 Photo posted is a fraud.
We? Where you there? How old are you?
bushpilot1,,,tonka truck just running his mouth about things he or she know any thing about....see above post about H.K.Edgerton.
Did I burst the bubble about your ‘friend’ porgie?
Lolz.
Obviously you didn’t get the sarcasm.
You’ve been haranguing bushpilot to produce proof of the pics he posted yet you didn’t provide any proof of the letter that you cut and pasted from some website.
Just another example of yankee duplicity and hypocrisy.
Guess your only here to pick fights
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