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Some banks unwilling to hand over client-held physical gold and silver?
Mineweb ^ | 9 Dec 2010 | Lawrence Williams

Posted on 12/11/2010 3:00:28 PM PST by epithermal

For some time some of the more outspoken gold commentators, like GATA, have been suggesting that title is held to far more gold and silver supposedly stored in bank's vaults, than is actually there - indeed they even have been questioning Central Banks' holdings of physical bullion - even in Fort Knox. Now there is some anecdotal evidence emerging on the internet and news programmes that may serve to back up some of these claims, at least as far as some commercial banks are concerned.

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A couple of days ago King World News of the U.S. quoted Jim Rickards, a long term proponent of gold market manipulation by banks and governments and extremely well respected - as saying that he knows of an investor in physical gold who had to haggle with a Swiss bank, which was supposedly storing gold for him, for a full month to achieve physical delivery of his own owned bullion - a considerable amount - $40 millions worth. And the gold was only returned to him after threats to resort to legal action and give the story to the media.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: banking; bullion; gold
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Hmmmmmmmmmm???
1 posted on 12/11/2010 3:00:32 PM PST by epithermal
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To: epithermal

If the whole gold market is but a hoax, then.......?


2 posted on 12/11/2010 3:05:00 PM PST by 353FMG (The peoples of the West will have to choose between ISLAM and their country.)
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To: epithermal

Banks were allowed lend more money than the owned/had, why can’t the same principle apply to gold?


3 posted on 12/11/2010 3:09:45 PM PST by deadrock (Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. Philo)
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To: epithermal

Fractional Reserve Banking....the life blood of the Fed, the bane of the individual. Hamilton was for it, Jefferson was against it. Jefferson was right, Hamilton was victorious.


4 posted on 12/11/2010 3:10:50 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: DEADROCK
Banks were allowed lend more money than the owned/had, why can’t the same principle apply to gold?

This is the difference, the gold that people are asking the banks to send them is "ALLOCATED" specifically in their names (supposedly). In other words, it sits in the vault WITH THEIR NAME LABEL ON IT (supposedly).

We'll see just how wide a problem this becomes, stay tuned...

5 posted on 12/11/2010 3:17:50 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: DEADROCK

Not for allocated accounts. It means the gold is in the bank for storage/security and in return the owner pays the bank storage fees. Bank does not own the gold nor have the right to use it as collateral for loans and investments. Other types of gold accounts, the bank can borrow the gold. The theory is the shortage of physical gold is so bad due to over manipulation of unallocated gold accounts/paper gold accounts, banks are desperate enough to raid the allocated accounts which are illegal.
Problem with the story is we do not have the name of the bank and the account holder to verify the facts involved. It is like an unnamed sources making allegations. Hard to verify.
There was a case in Scotland where a woman trying to reclaim her physical gold assets from the Bank of Scotland had to wait months and after legal threats, the bank gave her gold back to her. But it took months and lots of hoop jumping before the bank delivered her gold back to her. It does make you wonder what some banks are doing with their clients allocated gold accounts.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 3:21:24 PM PST by Fee
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To: DEADROCK

I think the banks simply applied the same fractional reserve banking rule with gold/silver back when it was standard and multiplied it many fold when the standard was dropped


7 posted on 12/11/2010 3:22:52 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: ExSES

HUGE

PROBLEM COMING!!

8 posted on 12/11/2010 3:23:26 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: epithermal

wait til the investor finds out his bars are made of tungsten


9 posted on 12/11/2010 3:44:46 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: epithermal; All
Lots of pretty bad poopie in the precious metals markets worldwide, but mainly in the COMEX and LBMA. Seems there are millions and millions and MILLIONS of paper ounces of especially silver, but gold too, with no physical to back it up.

Think of the precious metals market as a giant game of musical chairs. For every hundred players, there are but ONE or TWO chairs !! Yes, it really is that bad.

If you think gold and silver prices are high now ....... Wait til the music stops !!

Nam Vet

10 posted on 12/11/2010 3:45:16 PM PST by Nam Vet (Are you better off than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?)
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To: epithermal

The FDIC insures cash accounts to protect depositors and banks from ‘runs’. If there is a run, the FDIC will have money printed to cover the run.

If you have an unallocated account for silver or gold, and there is a run, there is no way to print gold and silver. You are screwed.


11 posted on 12/11/2010 3:45:44 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: DWar; jiggyboy

You are correct.

We’re seeing the beginning of the meltdown of the global banking system. This will pave the road for a ‘One World’ currency based on nothing more than yet another promise. More stories like this will prompt investors to rush their banks demanding their holdings of physical gold/silver.

This rush could happen overnight. Banks will declare a “Holiday” as they scramble to search for your physical assets that weren’t ever there to begin with.

I just returned from my favorite coin shop with my coat pockets heavy with silver and my wallet minus several hundred dollars worth of Federal Reserve Notes. $20 bucks a piece for decent Morgans & good condition common date Peace dollars! How can I go wrong? I’ll be back Monday morning and buy at least another $1000 worth (after the banks open).

Buy and hold physical gold/silver as soon as you can!

Just my take on things for what it’s worth.


12 posted on 12/11/2010 4:10:58 PM PST by panaxanax (IMPEACH THE MUSLIM MARXIST....NOW!!!)
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To: 353FMG
If the whole gold market is but a hoax, then.......?

...it will be just like "Foreclosuregate".

13 posted on 12/11/2010 4:36:19 PM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: 353FMG
If the whole gold market is but a hoax, then.......?

Then... I'm a zillionaire because I have gold stashed in my cookie jar!

14 posted on 12/11/2010 5:44:27 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: DWar

Will it be series?


15 posted on 12/11/2010 5:45:52 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Nam Vet
If you think gold and silver prices are high now ....... Wait til the music stops !!

I calculated that in order to back the dollar (M2) if the U.S. had all the gold in the world, the price would have to be $50,000 an ounce. I do not think that gold will appreciate in purchasing power to meet the dollar, so that leaves the dollar to fall to 1/40th its present value. Just for the nation debt to equal U.S. gold reserves, the dollar must fall 90%. (That is 0.004 of its value in 1933.)
16 posted on 12/11/2010 6:36:20 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Fee

Exactly. Without the name of the bank and the account holder to verify the facts involved. It smells like manure.


17 posted on 12/11/2010 7:18:11 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

Bookmark


18 posted on 12/11/2010 7:32:21 PM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: epithermal
However the analysts will also tell you that the amount of gold or silver traded in virtual transactions exceeds the global holdings by a large multiple and if everyone insisted on physical delivery of their metal, this would be completely impossible to provide.

So is virtual Gold the same as real Gold? Just like virtual dollars?

19 posted on 12/11/2010 7:41:23 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: ExSES

Just like the Social Security “Lockbox”, I presume?


20 posted on 12/11/2010 8:00:17 PM PST by pankot
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