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Why do we hate modern classical music?
The Guardian ^ | 11/28/2010 | Alex Ross

Posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:53 PM PST by mojito

A full century after Arnold Schoenberg and his students Alban Berg and Anton Webern unleashed their harsh chords on the world, modern classical music remains an unattractive proposition for many concertgoers. Last season at the New York Philharmonic, several dozen people walked out of a performance of Berg's Three Pieces for Orchestra; about the same number exited Carnegie Hall before the Vienna Philharmonic struck up Schoenberg's Variations for Orchestra.

The mildest 20th-century fare can cause audible gnashing of teeth. Benjamin Britten's Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings is a more or less fully tonal score, yet in 2009 at Lincoln Centre, it failed to please a gentleman sitting behind me. When someone let out a "Bravo!" elsewhere in the hall, he growled: "I bet that was a plant." I resisted the temptation to swat him with my pocket score.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: alexross; ligeti; schoenberg
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To: mojito
Atonal music pretty much ruined the orchestra. The period between 1930 and 1990 was a wasteland for art music with a few notable exceptions (Gershwin, Copeland, Barber...)

Hundreds of years hence, people will still listen to songs by the Beatles, just as some today still listen to songs by John Dowland, Schubert, and the Tin Pan Alley gang.

Thankfully, "academic music" is finally dying off.

Great "classical" music is possible. Some late 20th century pieces worth taking a gander at include Keith Emerson's Piano Concerto, the Piano Sonatas of Norman Dello Joio, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qse7P-hltM&feature=related from 5:04 on is pure joy with a bit of jazzy edge for contrast)

Chick Corea's Piano Concerto is a jazzy, copelandesque romp.

Arvo Pärt? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4gGRcfKSk&feature=related

Morten Lauridsen? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhfrG_AsbxQ&feature=related

101 posted on 11/30/2010 4:51:58 PM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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To: r9etb

It could be frankie, it could be a balloon, it could be very fresh and clean....


102 posted on 11/30/2010 5:31:12 PM PST by folkquest
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To: longtermmemmory

Yanni and Arkenstone, both very solid choices...I’ll add Jarre to that.


103 posted on 11/30/2010 6:12:39 PM PST by Fire_on_High (Stupid should hurt.)
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To: wastedyears
I didn’t even know people still composed classical music today.

It's still around but I think we live in an age that just doesn't value it. And it's principle practitioners now produce dramatic movie scores rather than concert pieces. Living in Malibu and working for George Lucas beats being assistant professor of music at Podunk State. Way beats!

104 posted on 11/30/2010 6:44:50 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: mojito

Why do we hate modern classical music?

Modern music, classical? How does that work? I thought classics have withstode the test of time.

Walk into any music academy anywhere and ask students and teachers who are the greatest composers of all times. I’d bet that not one will mention a modern composer.

Today’s classical music brings images to my mind of those elephants or monkeys who paint pictures and the world of art calls the results meaningful and important. And some of these paintings actually hang in modern art museums.

Jeez, give me a break!!!!!


105 posted on 11/30/2010 6:46:18 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Terabitten
Don’t even get me started on 4’33”.

For a mom with 3 young daughters, that piece is music to my ears!

106 posted on 11/30/2010 6:53:47 PM PST by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: Joan Kerrey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwICXwLBmo

Bach’s Double Violin Concerto in D Minor


107 posted on 11/30/2010 6:57:36 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: mojito

I’ve performed quite a bit of modern classical music, both as a soloist and ensemble singer. There’s some that is really good and some that is really bad and some that is really mediocre. It takes time for the cream to rise to the top. What has been fun is being a part of it - helping to present something in its infancy. For every Mozart or Beethovan or Bach there were dozens of lousy composers who faded into history.


108 posted on 11/30/2010 7:03:29 PM PST by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: keepitreal

It would be nice if, as a musician, I could spell Beethoven. Yikes.


109 posted on 11/30/2010 7:04:52 PM PST by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: DCPatriot

Bach’s Double Violin Concerto in D Minor

Great!
Thanks


110 posted on 11/30/2010 7:37:31 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Borges

What are your favorite Schoenberg compositions? :)


111 posted on 11/30/2010 7:44:31 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: wastedyears
"I didn’t even know people still composed classical music today."

I have always considered "modern classical music" to better resemble "modern classical noise."

112 posted on 11/30/2010 10:59:59 PM PST by tom h ("Don't worry, Dems, you've got me!")
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To: RobRoy
"I wonder, was there not music written contemporaneous with the “classics we love” that was “bad” and hence, long forgotten?"

Of course there was wretched music in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries.

But the primary difference between then and now is that no one pretended that the wretched stuff had even a morsel of value.

Today's classical music, which sounds like a cross between cats screeching and one hundred fingernails scraped across a blackboard, would have never been played in the classical equivalent of Carnegie Hall. It would have languished in the basement in which it was composed, or perhaps the local speakeasy. Never would it have received an publicity, or have idiot reviewers claiming it to be "bold!" or "dramatic!" or other such B.S.

113 posted on 11/30/2010 11:06:25 PM PST by tom h ("Don't worry, Dems, you've got me!")
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To: tom h

If only Mapplethorpe could write music. ;)


114 posted on 12/01/2010 12:11:38 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy
was there not music written contemporaneous with the “classics we love” that was “bad” and hence, long forgotten?

Absolutely. See the movie Amadeus.

115 posted on 12/01/2010 1:47:48 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: shotdog

Holst’s The Planets is too ‘modern’? It’s downright old fashioned.


116 posted on 12/01/2010 6:36:49 AM PST by Borges
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To: EveningStar
What are your favorite Schoenberg compositions?

Transfigured Night, The Chamber Symphony 1. Gurrelieder, Three Piano Pieces, Six Little Piano Pieces, Five Piano Pieces, Suite for PIano, Five Pieces for Orchestra, the Violin Concerto...
117 posted on 12/01/2010 6:41:05 AM PST by Borges
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To: InternetTuffGuy
The period between 1930 and 1990 was a wasteland for art music with a few notable exceptions (Gershwin, Copeland, Barber...)

Only if you don't count Bartok, Stravinsky, Berg, Prokofiev, Poulenc, Shostakovitch and Britten among various others...
118 posted on 12/01/2010 6:44:15 AM PST by Borges
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To: Ramius
I would submit that modern composers writing for film scores really isn't substantially different from the classical composers writing for the stage, or in fact an opera. Same thing, different time. Same mission.

Most of the influential composers of the 20th century -- including ones that the intelligentsia has dubbed "important" -- worked in film scores. Copland's work for the film version of "Our Town" is among his best. Leonard Bernstein, Sergei Prokofiev, Ralph Vaugan Wiliams, Dmitri Shostakovich, and Edward "Duke" Ellington all wrote film scores.

119 posted on 12/01/2010 9:05:44 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: RobRoy; Borges
I wonder, was there not music written contemporaneous with the “classics we love” that was “bad” and hence, long forgotten?

Beethoven Leonore Overture #4

120 posted on 12/01/2010 12:08:39 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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