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Why do we hate modern classical music?
The Guardian ^ | 11/28/2010 | Alex Ross

Posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:53 PM PST by mojito

A full century after Arnold Schoenberg and his students Alban Berg and Anton Webern unleashed their harsh chords on the world, modern classical music remains an unattractive proposition for many concertgoers. Last season at the New York Philharmonic, several dozen people walked out of a performance of Berg's Three Pieces for Orchestra; about the same number exited Carnegie Hall before the Vienna Philharmonic struck up Schoenberg's Variations for Orchestra.

The mildest 20th-century fare can cause audible gnashing of teeth. Benjamin Britten's Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings is a more or less fully tonal score, yet in 2009 at Lincoln Centre, it failed to please a gentleman sitting behind me. When someone let out a "Bravo!" elsewhere in the hall, he growled: "I bet that was a plant." I resisted the temptation to swat him with my pocket score.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: alexross; ligeti; schoenberg
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Interesting piece by Ross, although I disagree with him.

Schoenberg and other musical avant-gardistes wanted to destroy the beauty of music, which they considered "bourgeois," and hence "save" the music of the future from philistine notions such as beauty.

The bourgeois have had the good sense to avoid the cacaphony ever since. Nonetheless, while I prefer Don Giovanni, I can certainly enjoy a production of Lulu. Or a Bartok concerto. Or Peter Grimes. And even a bit of Ligeti, who's not half bad sometimes. It's just that I wouldn't want a steady diet of it, and it won't replace Bach and Haydn, which I suspect some of these 20th century fanatics, like Ross, would prefer.

1 posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:54 PM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

I didn’t even know people still composed classical music today.


2 posted on 11/30/2010 1:34:42 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: sitetest

Ping.


3 posted on 11/30/2010 1:35:00 PM PST by mojito
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To: wastedyears

When did you think they stopped?


4 posted on 11/30/2010 1:35:44 PM PST by Borges
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To: mojito

Because it isn’t music in any traditional sense — it’s noise, and nobody had the guts to tell the composers that.

Don’t even get me started on 4’33”.


5 posted on 11/30/2010 1:36:26 PM PST by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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To: mojito

Schoenberg’s best music is beautiful. He was taking the next logical step from Wagner and Mahler.


6 posted on 11/30/2010 1:36:32 PM PST by Borges
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To: mojito

Bad music is bad music regardless of style (except hip hop which is always bad).


7 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:02 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Job needed. Anything! Philly area.)
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Why do we hate modern classical music?

Because it sounds like a gaggle of cats getting tossed into a wood chipper?

8 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:20 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: mojito

“Modern classical music” is an oxymoron. Classical music has withstood the test of time. The avant-garde crap being peddled today as “modern music” won’t last past next leap year.


9 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:35 PM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: mojito

“It’s not music. It’s frantic, frantic noise.”


10 posted on 11/30/2010 1:38:05 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: mojito
I stick with the old classic music. Modern stuff doesn't do it for me.


11 posted on 11/30/2010 1:38:39 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mojito

12 posted on 11/30/2010 1:39:32 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Terabitten
Don’t even get me started on 4’33”.

If I was ever on American Idol, I'd do an acapella version of that bad boy.

13 posted on 11/30/2010 1:39:41 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: mojito
These days, you would draw puzzled stares if you announced at a dinner party that Pollock is a crock.

Most likely because nobody would know what you're talking about.

This isn't a dinner-party, but Pollock is a crock.

14 posted on 11/30/2010 1:40:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mojito

To quote Mr Anonymous, “I’m no art critic, but I know what I like.”

I actually like a lot of the “classical” music written for movies. Silvestry, Williams, etc. I really enjoyed the theme from “The Last Starfighter”.

I used to play in the Boeing orchestra (OK guys, STOP laughing!) and my teacher really had no respect for Williams. She felt he went for the low hanging popular fruit of lots of triplets. It IS all over the place in the theme to Superman.

Many composers of old produced music for the opera and on consignment. Their modern equivalent would be producing music for movies and television.


15 posted on 11/30/2010 1:40:36 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Cincinatus
“Modern classical music” is an oxymoron. Classical music has withstood the test of time. The avant-garde crap being peddled today as “modern music” won’t last past next leap year.

GMTA & ditto ^^^^^^, especially the oxymoron label.

16 posted on 11/30/2010 1:40:57 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: wastedyears

>>I didn’t even know people still composed classical music today.<<
;)

I like to use the term “symphonic”, for obvious reasons. :)


17 posted on 11/30/2010 1:42:13 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Borges
I do like some of his crazy late romantic stuff, like Verklarte Nacht and Gurrelieder.

I just can't listen to Pierrot Lunaire very often.

18 posted on 11/30/2010 1:42:30 PM PST by mojito
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To: Terabitten

I’m with you on that. However, I’m curious about how you feel about Philip Glass.


19 posted on 11/30/2010 1:43:05 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: dirtboy

>>Because it sounds like a gaggle of cats getting tossed into a wood chipper?<<

You say that like it is a BAD thing.


20 posted on 11/30/2010 1:43:45 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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