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Interesting piece by Ross, although I disagree with him.

Schoenberg and other musical avant-gardistes wanted to destroy the beauty of music, which they considered "bourgeois," and hence "save" the music of the future from philistine notions such as beauty.

The bourgeois have had the good sense to avoid the cacaphony ever since. Nonetheless, while I prefer Don Giovanni, I can certainly enjoy a production of Lulu. Or a Bartok concerto. Or Peter Grimes. And even a bit of Ligeti, who's not half bad sometimes. It's just that I wouldn't want a steady diet of it, and it won't replace Bach and Haydn, which I suspect some of these 20th century fanatics, like Ross, would prefer.

1 posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:54 PM PST by mojito
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I didn’t even know people still composed classical music today.


2 posted on 11/30/2010 1:34:42 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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Ping.


3 posted on 11/30/2010 1:35:00 PM PST by mojito
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Because it isn’t music in any traditional sense — it’s noise, and nobody had the guts to tell the composers that.

Don’t even get me started on 4’33”.


5 posted on 11/30/2010 1:36:26 PM PST by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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Schoenberg’s best music is beautiful. He was taking the next logical step from Wagner and Mahler.


6 posted on 11/30/2010 1:36:32 PM PST by Borges
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Bad music is bad music regardless of style (except hip hop which is always bad).


7 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:02 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Job needed. Anything! Philly area.)
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Why do we hate modern classical music?

Because it sounds like a gaggle of cats getting tossed into a wood chipper?

8 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:20 PM PST by dirtboy
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“Modern classical music” is an oxymoron. Classical music has withstood the test of time. The avant-garde crap being peddled today as “modern music” won’t last past next leap year.


9 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:35 PM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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“It’s not music. It’s frantic, frantic noise.”


10 posted on 11/30/2010 1:38:05 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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I stick with the old classic music. Modern stuff doesn't do it for me.


11 posted on 11/30/2010 1:38:39 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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12 posted on 11/30/2010 1:39:32 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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These days, you would draw puzzled stares if you announced at a dinner party that Pollock is a crock.

Most likely because nobody would know what you're talking about.

This isn't a dinner-party, but Pollock is a crock.

14 posted on 11/30/2010 1:40:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To quote Mr Anonymous, “I’m no art critic, but I know what I like.”

I actually like a lot of the “classical” music written for movies. Silvestry, Williams, etc. I really enjoyed the theme from “The Last Starfighter”.

I used to play in the Boeing orchestra (OK guys, STOP laughing!) and my teacher really had no respect for Williams. She felt he went for the low hanging popular fruit of lots of triplets. It IS all over the place in the theme to Superman.

Many composers of old produced music for the opera and on consignment. Their modern equivalent would be producing music for movies and television.


15 posted on 11/30/2010 1:40:36 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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The article only makes sense if you stick an icepick through your head before reading it.

Most film scores ar classical music. Many of them are very good and quite popular. This fact eviscerates the thrust of the article.


29 posted on 11/30/2010 1:49:17 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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Classical Music Ping


33 posted on 11/30/2010 1:53:58 PM PST by Borges
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Mozart (arguably the among the greatest of composers) once said “Melody is the essence of music.”
There is no melody in today's “classical” or much of any modern day music.
36 posted on 11/30/2010 1:54:11 PM PST by gdzla
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Stravinsky: Le Sacre du printemps, the Firebird, etc.

Modern? Cacophonous? Quite.

Classical? Of course.


37 posted on 11/30/2010 1:54:13 PM PST by FroggyTheGremlim
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Because it’s usually an expression of the composer’s narcissism, it’s yawningly predictable, and it’s unpleasant to listen to.


39 posted on 11/30/2010 1:56:20 PM PST by r9etb
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"Why do we hate modern classical music?"

Because much of it is neither "classical" nor music.

40 posted on 11/30/2010 1:56:23 PM PST by ronnyquest (Barack H. Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. What are you going to do about it?)
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Try The Night of the Mayans by a contemporary Mexican composer.


45 posted on 11/30/2010 1:59:27 PM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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I have always suspected that modern composers, knowing that they could never approach the level of the old masters, decided to go in the opposite direction. As a result, their works sound like chimps banging on a keyboard.


46 posted on 11/30/2010 1:59:53 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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