Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.
In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson
(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...
BOOK ASSERTS THAT SMALL GOVERNMENT GROUP REACHED CONCLUSION THAT ‘UFOS’ ARE DEMONIC
A new book asserts that a government committee affiliated with the Defense Department concluded that UFOs are a demonic deception.
The book is Final Events, by Nick Redfern; we don’t pretend to know how much of it is legitimate. In it, Redfern details the investigations of a group nicknamed the “Collins Elite” that was composed of government, military, and intelligence personnel. According to Redfern — a paranormal writer on many controversial (and to many, outlandish) subjects — the group, which included G-2 Army intelligence agents, as well as Naval and Air Force personnel, reached the conclusion “that we have in our midst a cold-hearted and sinister intelligence of demonic origins that masquerades as alien.”
To many, of course, this seems preposterous; perhaps it is. But because we have long been concerned about the negative spiritual nature of “alien” reports, we are giving it an airing. Redfern says he learned of the group’s view from an Anglican priest named Reverend Ray Boeche of Lincoln, Nebraska, who in the 1990s had met with two members of the group who were Defense physicists and born-again Christians. They sought out the minister to express their concerns about the evil nature of such phenomena.
The first reaction at the mere mention of UFOs (”unidentified flying objects”), of course, often evokes guffaws — a feeling that this is something really out there, something that should be relegated to a bin marked “lunatic fringe.” And so, in many cases, might this be, especially with those who claim alien contact. There are certainly instances where such sightings of objects or encounters or luminosities in the sky have been the products of the hoax, imagination, or misidentified objects, whether a satellite, plane, or weather balloon.
At least, those are the explanations skeptics most often cite. There are cases that even government agencies (most recently, England) admit have no ready explanation, accounts that have pilots, radar controllers, or police as witnesses. Even the Vatican Observatory has expressed interest. Reports of those cases are now commonly carried on “mainstream” media outlets such as Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, the History Channel, and Discover, among other programs — along with a slew of large internet sites.
In late summer a former Air Force controller, Captain Robert Salas, broke a long silence to publicly announce he had witnessed a UFO on March 16, 1967, at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana and that it had affected nuclear launch equipment (rendering sixteen missiles inoperative there and later at a second facility). Other military have likewise testified. The latest buzz was two weeks ago in Inner Mongolia, where Chinese officials closed an airport until a strange, unknown light left its air space.
We have no idea how many of these claims are legitimate but have spiritual concerns because in many UFO cases witnesses become “psychic,” the “aliens” (frequently portrayed as reptilian, slanty-eyed “grays”) often can walk through walls (materialize and dematerialize), and in some instances there is left the smell of sulfur.
In other cases, UFOs seem more like the “orbs” associated with spirits and in fact Indian lore contains accounts of “spirit lights.” Some have even occurred — and recurred — near old mounds, or above covens; witnesses are often left in terror, haunted for life. Through the centuries, deceiving spirits have come, it seems, in accordance with the culture — as fairies, nymphs, leprechauns, gnomes, and now, in the space age, in at least some instances, it seems, as “extraterrestrials” (we don’t preclude the possibility of life elsewhere).
According to Redfern, as far back as 1969 the U.S. Government Printing Office issued a publication compiled by the Library of Congress for the Air Force Office of Scientific Research that was entitled “UFOS and Related Subjects: An Annotated Bibliography.” “In preparing the work,” notes Redfern, “the senior bibliographer, Lynn E. Catoe, dug deeply into thousands of UFO articles and books. In the 400-page document, she stated: ‘A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing, and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeists [ghost] manifestations and possession. ‘Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena.’”
These are words, reports Redfern, from our government. The Collins Elite reached a stronger conclusion. At least among those who met the minister, the concern, he says, was that a massive deception was in our midst — one we have long called the “great deception.” “The only alternative that may prove successful in thwarting plans of the enemy,” stated a 1988 report of the Collins Elite, is through “...intense indoctrination of faith and values at planetary level to radically and rapidly alter current population mindset.”
Is it like the nephilim in Noah’s time (see Genesis 6:4)?
Redfern reports that at the government’s own Kennedy Space Center in Florida was a safety specialist named Joe Jordan [left] who studied alien “abduction” and likewise concluded they were an evil phenomenon. (The abductions, he pointed out, are known to halt when a terrorized “abductee” cries out the Name Jesus.)
Have we been duped by movies into accepting ET?
People open themselves up to this, said Jordan, through anti-Christian, anti-biblical, or anti-God behavior — or by dabbling with the occult, metaphysics, the paranormal, or New Age.
Why are we not warned about all this?
Did Christ not even say that there would be deceptions even of the “elect”?
Why is it that aliens often attack Christian beliefs — but not those of other religions?
Gnomes. Fairies. Elves.
ETs.
The emperor often changes his clothes.
Said another investigator, Guy Malone, “The common questions that Christians arrive at when they examine the documented teaching of aliens are quite logically along the lines of: Why would authentic extraterrestrial biological entities travel ninety billion light years just to attack one specific religion? Why do they make such a concentrated effort to convince people that Jesus Christ is not the true Deity, or God incarnate? Given their powers and abilities, the Christian truly is left with no choice but to identify these creatures as deceiving spirits.”
Indeed, if a flurry of “aliens” suddenly “landed,” how would this notion of being not made in His Image affect belief?
And might the Vatican Observatory — which looks rather positively on the notion of aliens — benefit from a closer look?
Are we on the verge of a great awakening, or a grand delusion?
Many abductees speak of aliens as future helpers after an apocalypse.
Fallen angels?
Said Malone: “What I believe is that disclosure will be the catalyst that unites the world under the one-world leader, the anti-christ. He will be the leader of the one-world government, one religion, and one economy. People need to understand all of this now so that when the curtain is unveiled, they already have made their choice about which God to serve.” Redfern claims the Collins Elite concluded that the presence of “aliens” in our world encourages us “to accept and embrace Satan himself — albeit in the deceptive guise of an advanced alien entity — as our savior, shortly before the countdown to Armageddon begins and time finally runs out.”
Sounds crazy, doesn’t it?
If it does, do a Google search of news sites and see how many reports there have been of late — carried over mainstream outlets. We can’t substantiate all the claims in this book. But we know from elsewhere — from even a Harvard researcher who has studied abductees (Dr. John Mack) — that whether or not apocalyptic, something very unpleasant is afoot here, and that it is dispelled only in the Name of Jesus.
http://www.spiritdaily.net/UFOdeception.htm
Is it like the nephilim in Noah’s time (see Genesis 6:4)?
Redfern reports that at the government’s own Kennedy Space Center in Florida was a safety specialist named Joe Jordan [left] who studied alien “abduction” and likewise concluded they were an evil phenomenon. (The abductions, he pointed out, are known to halt when a terrorized “abductee” cries out the Name Jesus.)
Have we been duped by movies into accepting ET?
People open themselves up to this, said Jordan, through anti-Christian, anti-biblical, or anti-God behavior — or by dabbling with the occult, metaphysics, the paranormal, or New Age.
Why are we not warned about all this? Did Christ not even say that there would be deceptions even of the “elect”?
Why is it that aliens often attack Christian beliefs — but not those of other religions?
Gnomes. Fairies. Elves.
ETs.
The emperor often changes his clothes.
Said another investigator, Guy Malone, “The common questions that Christians arrive at when they examine the documented teaching of aliens are quite logically along the lines of: Why would authentic extraterrestrial biological entities travel ninety billion light years just to attack one specific religion? Why do they make such a concentrated effort to convince people that Jesus Christ is not the true Deity, or God incarnate? Given their powers and abilities, the Christian truly is left with no choice but to identify these creatures as deceiving spirits.”
Indeed, if a flurry of “aliens” suddenly “landed,” how would this notion of being not made in His Image affect belief?
And might the Vatican Observatory — which looks rather positively on the notion of aliens — benefit from a closer look?
Are we on the verge of a great awakening, or a grand delusion?
Many abductees speak of aliens as future helpers after an apocalypse.
Fallen angels?
Said Malone: “What I believe is that disclosure will be the catalyst that unites the world under the one-world leader, the anti-christ. He will be the leader of the one-world government, one religion, and one economy. People need to understand all of this now so that when the curtain is unveiled, they already have made their choice about which God to serve.” Redfern claims the Collins Elite concluded that the presence of “aliens” in our world encourages us “to accept and embrace Satan himself — albeit in the deceptive guise of an advanced alien entity — as our savior, shortly before the countdown to Armageddon begins and time finally runs out.”
Sounds crazy, doesn’t it?
If it does, do a Google search of news sites and see how many reports there have been of late — carried over mainstream outlets. We can’t substantiate all the claims in this book. But we know from elsewhere — from even a Harvard researcher who has studied abductees (Dr. John Mack) — that whether or not apocalyptic, something very unpleasant is afoot here, and that it is dispelled only in the Name of Jesus.
http://www.spiritdaily.net/UFOdeception.htm
THANKS MUCH FOR THIS POST. All Christians and thoughtful folks interested in eternal life beyond this END TIMES era would do well to prayerfully ponder this post and document above.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
YUP.
Interestingly . . . there are purportedly quite a number of “ET” bases deep in the oceans.
Mark 13:21-23 21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ[a]!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Matthew 24:24 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Have a great day!
Agreed.
The sun and the moon.
Thanks for the ping!
no, the elect cannot be deceived
This makes sense.
Satan is a great deceiver. Yet, he seems only capable of imitation of God. So, this time will be as well. Satan will try to convince the world that HE is the christ, before our Lord returns. He will deceive with false miracles, and he will lie the oldest lie, “You shall be like God.” Can you imagine what the atheist’s will be thinking? The unbeliever’s? They will hate us for bothering to warn them.
Your will be done, Lord.
I do believe their has been an attempt to condition us to accept these demons, to follow them blindly, to even worship them. Look at how today those who thought Ozombie would help them. The world is getting riper.
Not sure what you’re saying about the sun and the moon.
Agreed.
. . . at least ultimately on the core issues . . . to the degree they are truly seeking The Lord . . .
I don’t know that I’d assert that they can never be deceived about anything ever.
Well put.
Thx.
Where Exactly have Aliens attacked the Christian faith? I’m sorry, but I’ve never read any articles where Aliens comment in any way on any faith (but then, I don’t follow UFO stuff at all, so of course, this is my own lack of data)
I’m not sure how I got on the UFO call list, but please remove me. I’m not interested.
Because I wanted to understand how your particular perspective would view, consider, deal with the points made in that post.
Evidently, the response of your perspective is to
PRETEND THE INFORMATION, THE REALITIES ETC. ARE NOT THERE, TO DENY AND WALK ON BY.
That will only work for a rapidly decreasing amount of months, years further. I suspect, months.
If you change your mind and care to comment, please ping me.
NOTE: There appear to be increasing MSM articles etc. related to ET’s UFO’s and Roman Catholocism either directly or tangentially.
I VERY SERIOUSLY, SOBERLY AND CHARITABLY want—not only to invite RC commentary on such—I’M EXTREMELY MOTIVATED to engage RC’s in a GENUINE MUTUALLY RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE about such—for a variety of reasons and purposes.
One of the main reasons is so that I can understand better the variety of RC convictions and perspectives about such—thereby helping me predict better how such things are likely to come down, transpire, interact with the different factions of clusters of RC’s with the different perspectives on the topic.
Certainly another main reason is to try and wake-up RC’s to the realities involved and thereby DECREASE the likelihood that they will be hoodwinked by the GREAT END TIME DELUSION, DECEPTION THAT THE BIBLE WARNS ABOUT—evidently—being this one.
CRONOS:
That information is usually in the more extensive and more conscious abduction etc. experiences.
1. Various ‘races’ of critters have asserted that ‘ET’s’ have
A) BIO-ENTINEERED OR OTHERWISE CREATED *ALL* THE RELIGIOUS GREATS OF HISTORY (INCLUDING JESUS)
B) FOR SOCIAL ENGINEERING PURPOSES
C) AND PERFORMED THE MIRACLES FOR THEM WITH THE ET’S TECHNOLOGIES.
D) I think you can see that asserting that THEY created Jesus rather shreds the foundation of Christianity wholesale.
E) Further, some have reportedly convinced globalist powers that be that even ALMIGHTY GOD is merely a contender for power along-side satan and that earth’s human powers that be in concert with the ET’s technologies will defeat ALMIGHTY GOD at Armageddon. Certainly satan knows better. But it’s a powerful ploy to destroy more of God’s favorite creation by such an insideous seduction.
F) Research Lucias (sp?) Trust and even Lucent Technologies.
G) Such information has surfaced relatively early on in the literature—I think I first read about such things more than 40 years ago—at least more than 30 years ago.
H) The shadow government/USA military purportedly have a very thick book on ET’s and RELIGION—totally on RELIGION vis a vis the ET information and perspective. And, the details in that book are ONE main reason the governments have prevented disclosure of the real “facts” about ET’s and UFO’s.
I) Yes, purportedly all the world’s religions would take a hit. However, it is AUTHENTIC Christianity that is much more focused on as IN THE WAY. Most of the rest of the religions are seen as much more malleable and conformable to the critters and globalist’s agenda.
We're more concerned about the Hindu Kundalini infestation of Pentecostalism and their war on the Queen of Heaven.
The devil is using some Pentecostals in his prophesied attack on the Queen of Heaven, foretold in Revelations 12:
Scripture is very clear about the demonic attack on the Queen of Heaven in the End Times:
Revelation 12 (New International Version)
Revelation 12
The Woman and the Dragon
1A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Clearly, there is a demonic attack against the Queen of Heaven. One must discern whether the recent manifestations of this attack within the Pentecostal movement are attributable to a Hindu Kundalini spirit unleashed at the Toronto Blessing which has subsequently infested much of the worldwide Pentecostal leadership and rank-and-file members.
Evidently you’re not tuned in to the growing releases from the Papal observatory officials etc. etc. etc.
It’s clear to all those who watch such things closely as well as to the best researcher closest to Vatican sources . . .
Paola P Harris . . .
that the Pope/Vatican have decided to cast their lot with the perspective that the critters are either benign, here to help save us from ourselves and/or candidates for Salvation through Christ.
I don’t think fallen angels qualify for Salvation. They made their eternal choice already.
Well I have to say our 22hr road trip to go see the 2010 Gaither Fall Tour was awesome.
Some of the most talented Christian musicians were with Bill at the event.
They were asking (in a full arena) how many Baptists here tonight, Woo Hoos, How many Pentecosts here tonight, Whoo Hoos! and do we have any Catholics? Whoo Hooo.
That is what was awesome all of us Singing and Praising God under one Stadium roof.
It was well worth the 8hr round trip drive and 22 hr day to get KV to his Gaither Tour Concert. (I am getting too old for these 22hr days, lol)
I got to bed at 6am this morning (started at 7am yesterday morning) and clicked into FR comments per usual before going to sleep (lol got 2 whole hours of REM) and I saw the same type of bickering I have kinda gone sour grapes taking a break from.
Things being posted here from Christian to Christian is not what lifts my spirits up and it actually seems to have a negative effect.
Bill Gaither said it perfect last night in talking about music and praising God without going into his whole dialog I took from it that if we can’t all focus on our Creator and we tear down each other we will all be miserable.
And that is my Perspective on allot of what I have been reading on different threads is allot of misery.
What a downer.
That is fine for those who enjoy but I have had to take a break from what I percieve as misery.
Regardless of the Soap Box Sin thread it is.
Geeze. So I am going to for my well being continue to stay on the “lighter” uplifting topics around FR.
Thanks be to God for the long road trip to reflect, be away from the internet and join thousands of other Christians in one common goal to give Thanks and Praise to the Lord.
Bill Gaither rocks! And so did all the ole time Souther Gospel/Blue Grass Music!
OK I am tired/rummy and so is KV tootle loo.
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