Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats

Why would the President of the United States take the risk of going TO India if that is where the containment is needed? Unless the actual target is actually the US...

Certainly such a report and allegations foster more questions than answers.

I have long speculated that the puppet masters put OThuga in power to make him a fall guy after he carried out as much of his orders to destroy the USA and global economy as he could get away with.

They certainly knew and know he’s a Narcissist if not paranoid character disorder with severe Attachment Disorder and all the accompanying hazards . . .

I think that’s one reason they rarely tolerate him speaking without a teleprompter.

You are a bright fellow . . . Please pretend that the report was mostly accurate. What therefore whats would you guesstimate might be in play?

I don’t think it’s logical to assume that the puppet masters clue OThuga in to much of anything beyond his next marching orders.

Personally, I think they have him on a shorter leash than most Presidents.

from:

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/11/white-house-obama-conducting-reign-of-terror/

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President Obama was urged by the few White House insiders from whom he still takes advice to leave the country on his ten day Asian trip, his longest trip abroad since becoming president, in order to not inflict any more damage to the Democratic Party in the wake of one of the worst electoral defeats for the party of an incumbent president in recent history. According to sources close to the White House, who put themselves in great danger by even talking to members of the media, the plans to have Obama leave for a visit to India, Pakistan, Indonesia, South Korea, and Japan are an attempt to get Obama out of the country while top Democrats can sort through the political disaster created for the party by Obama’s increasingly detached-from-reality presidency.

Virtual political guerrilla warfare has broken out between Obama’s inner circle on one hand and senior Democratic officials, including outgoing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Party strategist James Carville, former Demcratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, and, behind-the-scenes, Vice President Joe Biden and former President Bill Clinton, on the other.

Also further down that article from that link—a very interesting off-topic paragraph:

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/11/white-house-obama-conducting-reign-of-terror/

Vice President Biden, under intense pressure from some Democratic Party officials and Cabinet members to invoke Article 25, Section 4 of the Constitution and have Obama temporarily or permanently removed as president because of his mental incapacity to fulfill his constitutional oath as president is reluctant to take such drastic action. Biden feels that the country would “become unglued” after such action and he doesn’t want to be the one who would be responsible for “picking up the pieces,” according to a source who works within Biden’s office.

I’ll bet the farm this was true. Anyone that watched the video when that happened could see he was LIVID! His lame attempt to make light of it failed miserably. It was a “How dare they embarrass ME moment. Classic Malignant Narcissism.

“Later that day, Obama briefly appeared at the fundraiser at Brown University, where Democratic loyalists paid $7500 to hear Obama speak, but departed after only twenty minutes, telling the assembled guests that he had to go back to the White House to “tuck in my daughters, walk the dog, and ‘scoop the poop.’” The Democratic faithful were appalled and shocked at Obama’s quick departure and one of the three reasons he gave for it: to scoop up dog turds as if the President of the United States actually performs such tasks with a phalanx of White House staff and Secret Service agents at his disposal.”

The msm honeymoon is over so we’re going to be seeing more and more of this.

0kaka needs to be scooped out of the WH with Reggie Love. That shouldn’t be confused with the scooping of Wookie’s poop belts!

interesting.

thanks.

I’ve been checking out the ATS site you mentioned and seems they’re talking about personal banking problems. One or two banks I chalk up as coincidence but it seems there were quite a number down for whatever reason yesterday and today. Anyone know about this?

Just discovered this thread, here is a link to all the seismic centers in the world. Beware when they all go off at the same time. http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

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My guess is that a coup is in play.

wow

Why are these revelations fromm the Air Force men coming out now,when we have a nationalist socialist executive branch of government, bent on sowing disunity and disinformation?

Are they laying the ground work for announcing that Obama was born in the Alteran system, of the Kilka Star Sector?

http://www.sttff.net/ast/sector.html

We already know he is not human?

I read on another site that it is normal for the big banks to completely halt all transactions whenever we have a time change.

Some quick FWIW gleanings from ATS:

The Reason Obama Has Skipped The Country ..??

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread627771/pg1

Russian activist disappears after exposing vaccination plans

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread627664/pg1

Banks spying on your bills, rent payments, paychecks: report

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread627721/pg1

CLIFF HIGH SYNOPSIS VIA:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread627509/pg1

Wow, okay. Well he covers a lot of things. First he starts with Nov 5th being the START date not necessarily anything happening on that date. I believe he said 16 days from then, the 5th, an economic collapse will begin.
Obama being out of the country is done on purpose.

He speaks of not going to Mars now has nothing to do with not having enough money seeing money is non-existent.
The money system is a scam and totally meaningless.
The Sun is going to kick our butt very soon w/earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis etc.
He talks about Chemtrails dumping aluminum on us and how Monsanto has aluminum resistant seeds.
He talks about making dew-wells (for drinking water) even in a desert as the Hopi.
He apologizes to Iraq for what the Elite are doing.
We are bound to a 5-sense reality.
He claims ATM machines will fail or stop this week once silver starts climbing and banks not being able to keep up demand. He speaks of solar flares peaking.
Possible nuke strike on Miami and/or Washington DC this week.
He speaks of UFOs (at nuke sites) and a possible cross connects with CERN.
He says Aliens know how emotions produce energy in the Universe.
The PTB have the ability to close banks which they will do VERY soon.
Central Banks having strike on Dec 7th.

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Malevolent or Benevolent? The BIG Alien question..

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread627467/pg1

Nuclear False Flag Alert!! It’s ON In 3 Days!,

[Would normally yawn at yet another . . . yet, given the Luke AFB report . . . ]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread626419/pg1

FREAKY STORY . . . for those who ‘enjoy’ such—there have been a dozen or 3 such stories over the decades:

Friday, October 22, 2010
‘The Underground’ Reptilian Encounter - Carthage, Missouri

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/10/underground-reptilian-encounter.html

Revelation; The Woman in Heaven

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread574349/pg1

posted on 23/5/2010 @ 12:11 this post I want to offer some thoughts on Revelation ch12 vv1-6.

I’ll be focussing on the first of the “great portents” appearing in heaven, the woman seen in the middle of giving birth.

I’m going to be asking the question; who is this woman?

But the logical starting point, even so, must be the identity of the child.

We are told;
That the child is born.
That the child is male.
That he is to “rule the nations with a rod of iron”
And, finally, that he is then “caught up to God and to his throne”.

Anyone who knows the gospels can recognise the basic outline of the story. The reference to the “rod of iron” comes from one of the psalms, where it belongs to an anointed king about whom the Lord has just said “You are my son, today I have begotten you.”- Psalm 2 v7.
We can hardly identify the child as anyone other than Christ himself.

(And if this passage relates to the birth of Christ, it appears to be what a modern film director would call a “flashback” scene, interrupting the main flow of the story to fill in some of the background)

Who, then, is the mother?

There are two main schools of thought, so this is really going to be a matter of choosing sides.

On the one hand, there’s a more literal approach, as favoured by the Roman Catholic Church. “If the child is Jesus, then the mother must be Mary”. So the passage becomes part of their teaching about the Blessed Virgin, and the details of the picture become part of Catholic iconography.

On the other hand, there’s a more symbolic approach. We can find materials for that in the passage itself. We can compare what we learn with the description of the “great Harlot” in ch17. And we can find further clues in some of the Old Testament prophecies.

Placed in Heaven

The very first thing John tells us in this chapter is that the woman is “clothed with the sun”, that she has the moon at her feet, and that she has a crown of twelve stars on her head.
This ought to be reminding us of one of Joseph’s dreams, when the sun and the moon and eleven stars were understood as meaning his parents and his brothers. It would appear that this woman has the whole family of Israel surrrounding her.

The symbolic meaning of numbers is always very important in Revelation.

The woman is carrying “12” stars, and “12” is the number which points us towards the presence of God’s people, based on the 12 brothers themselves and on the traditional 12 tribes of Israel.

The woman is “clothed with the sun”, where people have seen a reference to the face of Christ in ch1 v16, “shining in full strength”.

And the moon is at her feet. If the moon stood for Rachel in the original dream, then the implication of the subjection is that Rachel is being displaced as “mother of Israel”, and that the version of God’s people which she represents is being displaced.

Putting all these details together, it seems to me that the woman in this passage is primarily a symbolic figure, that she represents God’s people; a newer version of God’s people, focussed upon Christ himself.

The woman who is not the “great Harlot”

This lady and the “great Harlot” of ch17 are one of the “contrasting pairs” of Revelation. I don’t need to examine the Harlot in any detail- just enough to throw some light on the present passage.

The figure of the adultress is one of the running themes of Old Testament prophecy, found in Hosea ch2, for example, and in Ezekiel ch16. The point is that she’s a metaphorical figure, standing for spiritual infidelity. The “great Harlot” clearly belongs to the same tradition.

In Proverbs, there’s an implicit contrast between the adultress and the feminine figure of Wisdom, both offering themselves on the street, for different purposes.

I suggest that what we have in Revelation is a contrast of the same kind, between two different versions of God’s people-

The “woman in heaven” is the faithful version
And the Harlot is the unfaithful version.

And the fact that the “woman in heaven” is being contrasted with a symbolic figure suggests to me that she herself is to be taken as a symbolic figure, rather than as an individual person.

Suffering in childbirth

In Micah, and again in Jeremiah, a woman representing Zion is shown suffering an anguish which is like that of a woman in childbirth, anticipating the oppression brought by Babylon.

But there’s an interesting difference between the two treatments.

Jeremiah has been complaining that Jerusalem has been dressing herself in scarlet and ornamenting herself and beautifying herself for the sake of her lovers- acting, in short, like a model for the great Harlot herself. Then he goes on to describe the daughter of Zion as a woman “in anguish, as of one bringing forth her first child”. The implication is quite clear, that the suffering resembling “birth-pangs” is the consequence of her previous life as the “scarlet woman”. (Jeremiah ch4 vv30-31)

I’ve already been considering this line of thought in my previous thread, “The Sins of the Church?”

In Micah ch4 v10, the daughter of Zion is told to “writhe and groan like a woman in travail”, because she’s on the verge of travelling into exile in Babylon. But this is immediately followed by the promise of salvation. She’s going to be ransomed and rescued in that place. There’s no suggestion that she’s going to give birth in Babylon, though the ambiguous wording of the Authorised Version might give that impression (”There shalt thou be delivered...”).

Nevertheless, a birth does take place when we turn to the next chapter. This is where we find the well-known prophecy that a ruler in Israel will come forth from Bethlehem, a prophecy which Christians apply to Christ himself. he will be able to stand and feed his flock, says Micah, “when she who is in travail has brought forth” (Micah ch5 v3).

Is this the birth of the ruler himself, which is the usual Christian understanding? Or does Micah see a “saving birth” in the release of the captives, the fact that “the rest of his brethren shall return to the land of Israel”?

Either way, the point is that the previous association of birth-pangs with suffering (as found in Jeremiah), has now been turned into an association of birth-pangs with salvation.

In Revelation ch12, we find both associations.

The “birth-pangs” of the woman in heaven lead into salvation. The Christ is born as a member of God’s faithful people.

At the same time, the suffering continues. The woman, escaping the power of evil, is forced to flee into wilderness.

That flight, incidentally, is the kind of thing which happens to a symbolic figure rather than a human individual, which is another reason, in my mind, against identifying the figure directly with Mary herself.

I have labelled this figure as “God’s faithful people”.
For Old Testament purposes, she represented Israel, or at least the faithful portion of Israel.
For New Testament purposes, she represents the church- or at least the faithful portion of the church.

The church has already been told that God has “raised us up with [Christ] and made us sit with him in the heavenly places” (Ephesians ch2 v6).
In that respect, the church has already become part of her place in heaven.

But the church in this life remains the church in struggle, with human enemies and with temptation. Revelation describes a time when that struggle is expected to intensify.

And, in that respect, the church is expecting to become part of her flight into the wilderness.

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Revelation; Harlot Babylon (Pt1)- “The other woman”

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread627808/pg1

posted on 7/11/2010 @ 14:55 this post I want to offer some thoughts on the “Harlot of Babylon” from Revelation ch17.

This is not going to be simple, because she’s a very complex figure.
On the one hand, that name of “Babylon”, in the Old Testament, has political overtones.
But some of the other details in the picture seem to have religious overtones.
For the moment, I propose to focus on one aspect of the religious dimension.
This woman. and the “woman in heaven” seen at the beginning of ch12, are one of the “contrasting pairs” of Revelation.
I’ve already looked at the first woman; see The Woman in Heaven

Now I’m going to be asking the question; what is the difference between these two women?

We’re told that this woman is a great harlot.
We’re told that she’s the mother of harlots.
We’re told that she carries a golden cup full of the impurities of her fornication, that the kings of the earth have comitted fornication with her, and that the dwellers on earth have become drunk with the wine of her fornication.

In the words of the old-fashioned euphemism, this woman is obviously “no better than she should be”.

Theres a contrast implied in Proverbs between the provident wife and the adulterous wife; and also between the adulterous wife and the feminine figure of Wisdom, both offering themselves on the streets, for different purposes.
This suggests, amongst other things, that the adulterous woman represents what happens when people are deficient in the Wisdom which comes from God.

But this kind of language in the prophets is frequently a metaphor for spiritual fidelity and infidelity.
In the Old Testament, God can be called “husband” to his people Israel, and he’s expecting the same kind of loyalty and commitment in return.
So when his people are disobedient, and particularly when they’re devoting themselves to other gods, their disobedience can be described in terms of “adultery” and “fornication”.
The classic example is at the beginning of Hosea, where the prophet is instructed to marry a known harlot, so that God can make a point about Israel. The complaint is made that Israel has become like an adulterous wife;
“For she said, i will go after my lovers, who give me my bread and my water”.- Hosea ch2 v5
Similaryly Jeremiah’s complaint about Judah is that she “polluted the land, committing adultery with stone and tree”- Jeremiah ch3 v9
Ezekiel elaborates the metaphor with such graphic imagery that the offending passages (e.g. ch16) can’t safely be read out in church; see for example, the Anglican lectionary, which carefully skips over them.

But the most important model for the image in this chapter comes from another passage in Jeremiah, when he’s addressing the city of Jerusalem;
“And you, O desolate one,
What do you mean, that you dress in scarlet,
That you deck yourself with ornaments of gold,
That you enlarge your eyes with paint?
In vain you beautify yourself,
Your lovers despise you, They seek your life”- Jeremiah ch4 v30
Those last two lines are alluding to the fact that Judah’s “flirtations” with foreign gods and foreign powers had not prevented the foreign powers from invading and despoiling the land.

The Harlot in Revelation echoes the appearance of the woman in this picture.
She is “arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and silver and pearls.”
She also suffers the same fate, of putting her trust in lovers who betray her. At the beginning of the chapter, she’s resting upon, getting support from, the great scarlet Beast. Yet, at the end of the chapter, that same Beast has turned against her;
“The ten horns that you saw, they and the Beast will hate the Harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire”- v16

The Jeremiah passage continues, in the next verse;
“And I heard a cry as of a woman in travail,
Anguish as of a woman bringing forth her first child”.
But that verse finds its echo in Revelation ch12, in the description of the “woman in heaven”;
“She was with child, and she cried out in the pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery”- ch12 v2
In effect, the “woman in heaven” and the “Harlot of Babylon” have taken Jeremiah ch4 vv30-31 and carved it up between them, taking one verse each.
Nothing could bring out more clearly the fact that these women are two sides of the same coin.
They are two different versions of Jerusalem.
They are two different versions of God’s people, the “faithful” version, and the “unfaithful” version.

I’ve been assuming that these visions were addressed, in the first instance, to the church of John’s own time, and then to the church of a later time.
How would the Christians of John’s time have understood this picture?

There’s a very suggestive parallel in Galatians, in Paul’s distinction between the two Jerusalems, drawn from the story of Sarah and Hagar;
“Now Hagar...corresponds to the present Jerusalem,for she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother”- Galatians ch4 vv25-26
The “other woman” in this case, of course, represents the Jews.
And the Jewish community was, in a sense, “resting upon” the support of the Roman state. The Jewish religion was “licensed” by the state (RELIGIO LICITA), while the Christian faith was not. The Jews, it was alleged, might sometimes alert the authorities to this point. Thus in Revelation ch2 “the slanders of the Jews” seem to lead into the imprisonment of Christians. I suggested, when I was dicussing the chapter, that this might be the reason why they were labelled the “synagogue of Satan” (a name which Revelation associates with persecution).
If this was the interpretation which the church of John’s time gave to this image, they would surely have recognised the sequel at the end of the chapter, when the Beast turns on and attacks the Harlot, in the events of AD 70.

How might the “unfaithful” version of God’s people emerge in the circumstances of a later church?
The real key to the image in Revelation is the relationship with the Beast.
We know from ch13 that the Beast is demanding worship from the world at large.
I suggest that the division between the “faithful woman” and the “Harlot” comes out of the difference bewteen the two ways of responding to that demand.

On the one hand, the faithful portion of God’s people would resist the claim.
These are described in many different passages in Revelation. They were “sealed” in ch7 in order to prepare them for this crisis. They are the “worshippers round the altar” and the “Witnesses” in ch11. They are the underground church “nourished by God” in the wilderness in ch12. They are facing the death-penalty as victims of the Beast’s “war on the saints” in ch13.
They are the intended readers of this book Revelation, which is designed to encourage them in that time of persecution (which is why we have so much trouble understanding it, when we’re not in a time of persecution).

On the other hand, those on the other side of the dividing line would be compromising their faith. They would accept the demands of the Beast, instead of resisting them. They would, perhaps, be co-operating with the policy of the Beast in his treatment of the church. At the beginning of ch12, the dragon’s tail sweeps up “a third of the stars of heaven” and draws them down from heaven to the earth; this could be warning us what proportion of unfaithfulness might be expected in the Christian community.

That portion of the God’s people would “resting on the Beast” instead of resting upon God.
But the end of the chapter indicates that this would not, in the end, save them from the hostility of the Beast.
Whereas the end of Revelation tells us that the “woman in heaven” is resting upon a God who will be found faithful.

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(I have added a Supplement in the next post)
edit on 7-11-2010 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)

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