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82-Year-Old Homeowner Who Shot At Men Stealing Trailer Sentenced
The Denver Channel ^ | 9/24/10 | Dayle Cedars

Posted on 09/24/2010 10:21:42 AM PDT by MissTed

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To: tnlibertarian

“Huh? Are they afraid it has a taste for human blood now? “

I guess. I call it capital punishment of an inanimate object. “Bad gun! We sentence you to death!”. Silly, isn’t it?


41 posted on 09/24/2010 11:17:49 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: MissTed

Since the source is The Denver Post and The Post is circulated only in the Denver area not outside in adjacent states. So I aasume this happened in Colorado. Am I correct ?. Just where in Colorado is Jefferson county that this DA could be so protective of illegal aliens ? Was this DA elected to office or appointed ?


42 posted on 09/24/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: mosesdapoet

This happened in the city of Wheat Ridge, CO. It’s about 15(?) miles west of Denver. I believe the RINO DA was elected, but I don’t live in that city so am not certain.


43 posted on 09/24/2010 11:26:10 AM PDT by MissTed (Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won't expect it back.)
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To: MissTed
His mistake was most likely talking to the police without an attorney.

A competent attorney would tell him to say NOTHING, but at trial (if it ever got that far, because if he didn't talk, they probably wouldn't have charged him) give a good story about how when you told them to STOP stealing your property, they came at you in a threatening manner.

Please remember to NEVER talk to the police, the more you talk, the more rope you are handing them to hang you.

44 posted on 09/24/2010 11:30:35 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: MissTed
"It is illegal to shoot someone who is stealing your property."

Ridiculous. Are Coloradans really that controlled? A person's private property can make the difference between life and death sometimes.

In Florida, you CAN use deadly force to prevent a forcible felony, including protecting your property against grand theft...

45 posted on 09/24/2010 11:31:16 AM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: mbs6

When you steal someone’s property, you literally have stolen a part of their life. They cannot recover the lost time it took them to obtain said property. That law-abiding citizens should have to sit back and allow punks to steal parts of their life away is horribly unjust and too soft on crime.

That is absolutely correct, and I do indeed think that weak minded people forget this, as is prevailing all across the US. Stealing is seriously insidious stuff. In fact the "too soft on crime" phenomenon tragically demoralizes the responsible segment of the society, so that that segment loses motivation, investment, and spirit.

This is exactly how "liberalism" becomes leftism, that is with the abolition of standing up for the responsible and cultivation of the irresponsible, the only path left is authoritarian extortion (by government or otherwise).

This is also the endgame of urban slums and excessive taxation.

Johnny Suntrade

46 posted on 09/24/2010 11:35:42 AM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: ontap

10mm is basically the next step up form .357 mag. My loads average 10% more penetration, power, expansion, and permanent wound channel without sacrificing accuracy. My mags also hold 12 rounds each instead of 6 or 8 (six for a wheel-gun or eight for a Coonan).


47 posted on 09/24/2010 12:03:44 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: sargon

“In Florida, you CAN use deadly force to prevent a forcible felony, including protecting your property against grand theft.”

I’d beg to differ..


48 posted on 09/24/2010 12:18:51 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: MissTed
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49 posted on 09/24/2010 12:25:30 PM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: sargon

Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are: Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm; Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping. Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, manslaughter, or worse.
Burglary is only included because if occurs in an occupied dwelling, it is a felony punishable by life.

Grand Theft isn’t included.


50 posted on 09/24/2010 12:26:04 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: smokingfrog
It ain't illegal in Texas, brother.

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."

While it isn't illegal, there is still some wiggle room where a jury could find it was unreasonable to use deadly force. Far better to just try to scare them off first before shooting at them.
51 posted on 09/24/2010 12:28:52 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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82-year-old Robert Wallace said in February that he looked out his window and saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their pickup. He yelled at them to stop, but they sped away, stealing his trailer. He told police he fired two shots at the pickup.

Minutes later, police say 32-year-old Damacio Torres dropped 28-year-old Alvaro Cardona off at a hospital emergency room with a gunshot wound to the face.

Torres did not stay to talk with police, but they caught up with him later. According to court documents, he admitted he and Cardona stole the trailer.

Wallace did not want to talk on camera, but when we asked him if the two men threatened him he said, “They almost ran me over.”

The Jefferson County DA’s office said that neither Torres nor Cardona have been charged with anything at this point, even though Torres confessed to the crime. However, the homeowner, Wallace is facing twelve felony counts, including four counts of attempted first degree murder. If convicted, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Sources say Torres and Cardona are believed to be in the country illegally and both have an arrest record. Cardona’s record includes public fighting and numerous traffic offenses like driving without a license or insurance. Torres’s record includes agricultural trespassing as well as a 2005 arrest for aggravated motor vehicle theft for which he was given a plea bargain to a lesser crime. Sources say Torres is also under investigation for being part of a major auto theft ring.


52 posted on 09/24/2010 12:45:31 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: smokingfrog

So in this case it likely would have been OK. That doesn’t mean there is no way anyone in Texas could ever be charged for shooting someone who is stealing property. And as someone else said, the jurisdiction could play a huge part in that.


53 posted on 09/24/2010 12:59:15 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Pollster1

He will need some dynomite like the Duke boys had


54 posted on 09/24/2010 1:14:44 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: MissTed

I’m almost tempted to suggest voting for the democrat if this twit is a so called republican.


55 posted on 09/24/2010 2:02:21 PM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: MissTed

Wallace must have said the wrong thing. All he should say is: I was afraid for my life. They made me shoot. I expected them to kill me.

It is astonishing that it is illegal in Colorado to shoot illegal aliens stealing your stuff on your property.


56 posted on 09/24/2010 3:04:46 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: freedomrings69

At 82 years old I’d tell that DA ‘’F you sonny boy. You want my guns? Come and take ‘em’’. What else has one to lose at that age?


57 posted on 09/24/2010 6:32:55 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: mbs6

Thanks for getting it.


58 posted on 09/24/2010 6:37:07 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“He was in the wrong.”

No. The thieves were guilty of being repeat criminals.

That much is settled.


59 posted on 09/24/2010 6:45:12 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: momtothree

Exactly, now he has a bullseye painted on him.

Horrible.


60 posted on 09/24/2010 6:50:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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