Posted on 09/07/2010 12:14:08 PM PDT by surfer
Why do these articles keep getting banned and deleted on FR?
I don't understand how this breaks any of the rules here...have our moderators been inflitrated with Progressives, Marxists?
Is FR seeing its final days?
That's a lie. Show me were I "suggested" to DJ MacWow that Smith was “provoked.”
DJ MacWoW made a statement:
"He got rude with posters that were poking him and then got rude with a Mod. Can’t do that."
To which I responded...QUOTING their post:
"I didn't "see" it happen...but perhaps, those that started it by "poking him" should have been stopped first? Or, was their provoking him OK?"
Do you not see that I quoted their statement in italics first (for reference) and then put quotes around the comment again? Furthermore, my 2 sentences on that post were both questions. Not statements or suggestions.
So I ask again, why did you address that to me, and why are you falsely stating that I stated Smith was provoked?
Either your trying to rewrite the history of the thread here, or it's an honest mistake. If it's an honest mistake, I'll await your apology for falsely stating that I suggested to DJ MacWow that Smith was “provoked.”
Maybe. It might explain why he first went to Africa. It’s not like he’s alone in the search for Mokele Mbembe and that everyone that has gone in search of it is some kind of nut.
Expeditions
Expeditions primarily began in the 1880s, shortly after the region was taken over by Belgium. For many years, therefore, it was called the Belgium Congo. Beginning from 1909, here is a brief list of over a dozen of them.
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1909
Naturalist Carl Hagenbeck recounted in his autobiography how two separate individuals - a German named Hans Schomburgh and an English hunter - told him about a “huge monster, half elephant, half dragon,” which lived in the Congo swamps. Later, another naturalist, Joseph Menges, related to Hagenbeck that “some kind of dinosaur, seemingly akin to the brontosaurs,” inhabited the swamps. Hagenbeck soon sent an expedition to the Congo to search for the monster, but the effort was quickly aborted due to disease and hostile natives.
GERMAN EXPEDITION 1913
In 1913, Capt. Freiherr von Stein zu Lausnitz was sent by the German government to explore the Cameroon. Von Stein wrote of a unique animal called, in the local tongue, Mokele-mbembe, said to inhabit the areas near the Ubangi, Sangha, and Ikelemba Rivers. Von Stein described the creature thus:
“The animal is said to be of a brownish-gray color with a smooth skin, its size approximately that of an elephant; at least that of a hippopotamus. It is said to have a long and very flexible neck and only one tooth, but a very long one; some say it is a horn. A few spoke about a long muscular tail like that of an alligator. It is said to climb the shore even at daytime in search of food; its diet is said to be entirely vegetable. At the Ssombo River I was shown a path said to have been made by this animal in order to get at its food. The path was fresh and there were plants of the described type [a liana] nearby”
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1920
A 32-men-strong expedition was sent out from the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C. After six days, African guides found large, unexplained tracks along the bank of a river and later the team heard mysterious “roars, which had no resemblance with any known animal,” coming from an unexplored swamp. However, the Smithsonian’s hunt for Moklele-Mbembe was to end in tragedy. During a train-ride through a flooded area where an entire tribe was said to have seen the dinosaur, the locomotive suddenly derailed and turned over. Four team members were crushed to death under the cars and another half dozen seriously injured.
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1932
In 1932, American cryptozoologist Ivan Sanderson was traveling in Africa and came across large hippo-like tracks in a region with no hippos. He was told by the natives that they were made by a creature named the “mgbulu-eM’bembe.” Later, Sanderson saw something in the water that seemed too large to be a hippo, but it disappeared before he could investigate further.
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1972
In 1960, herpetologist James H. Powell, Jr. took interest in the African dragons and organized an expedition to the Congo in 1972. Powell’s expedition, unfortunately, was fraught with problems (the United States and the Congo had poor relations at the time). Many months of hardships such as snake-bites, near-drownings and tropical diseases only led to more witness testimonies about Mokele-Membe and another lizard-like creature which locally was called “n’yamala.”
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1976
In 1976, James Powell decided to go to Gabon instead, inspired by a book called “Trader Horn.” (In 1927, the book, a memoir of the author’s time in Gabon, specifically along the Ogooue River, was written by Englishman Alfred Aloysius Smith. He recorded hearing of a creature called the “jago-nini” and identified it with the “amali,” a creature whose tracks he had seen). He was quick to realize they were probably identical to the Mokele-mbembe. Furthermore, Powell heard local legends of the n’yamala, and locals identified pictures of a sauropod dinosaur as bearing the most resemblance to the animal.
GERMAN EXPEDITION 1980
An expedition mounted by engineer Herman Regusters and his wife Kia managed to make its way to Lake Tele, where they heard the growls and roars of an unknown creature. They also claimed to have photographed Mokele-Mbembe in the lake, as well as watching it walk on land through the brush. According to Regusters, the creature they saw was 30-35 feet long.
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1980
Powell launched another expedition in 1980, but this time cryptozoologist Roy P. Mackal came along. Powell and Mackal found that a large number of reports came from the banks of the Likouala-aux-herbes River near Lake Tele. They said that most witnesses maintained that the animal was between 15-30 feet long (a long neck accounted for much of the length). The creature was also said to be a rust color, and that some had been seen to possess a frill or crest.
AMERICAN EXPEDITION 1981
Yet another expedition was organized in 1981 - this time composed of Mackal, J. Richard Greenwell, M. Justin Wilkinson, and Congolese zoologist Marcellin Agnagna. The expedition encountered what they believed was a Congo “dinosaur” along the Likouala River, when they heard a large animal leaping into the water near Epena. They also discovered a path of broken branches supposedly made by the animal, as well as a number of footprints.
AFRICAN EXPEDITION 1983
In April, 1983, a Congolese expedition led by Marcellin Agnagna, a zoologist from the Brazzaville Zoo, arrived to Lake Tele. Agnagna claimed to have seen the beast some 275 meters out in the lake. The animal held its thin, reddish head - which had crocodile-looking, oval eyes and a thin nose - on a height of 90 cm and looked from side to side, almost as if it was watching him. According to Agnagna, the animal was a reptile, though not a crocodile, nor a python or a freshwater turtle.
BRITISH EXPEDITION 1985-86
Englishman William J. Gibbons (presently living in Canada) talked to several eye-witnesses who gave him valuable information about the Mokele-Mbembe. He is currently convinced that the dinosaur exists, but at the time was unable to prove it. However, upon his return to the UK he brought with him the remains of a monkey which he could not identify. This was later classified as a new sub-species of crestless mangabey monkey (cerocebus galeritus). Fish and insect specimens also found in the Congos remain unclassified to date.
JAPANESE EXPEDITION 1987
A piece of blurry video footage filmed by a Japanese film crew supposedly showing the creature in Lake Tele remains disputable evidence of the animal’s existence. The film is indistinct and grainy, possibly just showing two men in a boat with one of them standing upright in the front of the vessel, as is common in Africa. This has been interpreted as a head and neck, but this interpretation of the videotape is purely speculative at best.
BRITISH EXPEDITION 1990
Author and explorer Redmond O’Hanlon returned from his failed expedition convinced that witnesses must have mistaken wild elephants, crossing rivers with their trunk in the air, for a prehistoric Mokele-Mbembe.
BRITISH EXPEDITION 1992
William Gibbons tried again six years later, this time together with American explorer Rory Nugent. Together they searched almost two thirds of the unexplored Bai River while also examining two small lakes North West of Lake Tele. These are Lake Fouloukuo and Lake Tibeke, which are surprisingly absent from most maps. Both are said to be haunts of Mokele-Mbembe. Rory Nugent also took two interesting photographs of something most unusual in Lake Tele. One may actually show the head of a Mokele Mbembe.
Conclusion
What are we to conclude about the Mokele-mbembe . . . in essence, what would be the correct, most unbiased position to take? To give such a conclusion, we believe, requires the admittance of all facts.
#1. There lies an area larger than the state of Florida in the People’s Republic of Congo. This area has been officially declared by government officials as 80% unexplored.
#2. Natives of the area, namely the Pygmies, speak of a strange animal roughly the size of an elephant, possessing a long, thin neck, which they call “Mokele-mbembe.”
#3. Expeditions to the area have proven unsuccessful. Though claims have been made of the animal being seen and heard, clear, unmistakable photographs or video footage have not yet been attained.
#4. Unusual footprints have been found, notably by Dr. Roy Mackal. The footprints are large and wide, clearly bearing claws at the tips of each toe. These footprints do not belong to any known species.
These four facts in and of themselves deserve careful consideration. We simply know too little of the area. “The Dark Continent” still remains just that, and time is our only proponent in man’s search for a living dinosaur. Until then, we can only wonder what animals have yet to be discovered in this vast and mysterious world of ours.
http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/mokele.htm
See the article linked earlier from WND. Smith’s lawyer withdrew his representation of Smith because of the shenanigans Smith pulled with WND. It’s pretty bad when WND disowns a birther.
wow, Déjà vu! ;-)
Yes, I remember reading several defaming posts by JeanS and then another from her recommending that he be banned. I didn’t see what happened after that, since the thread was removed, but up to that point, I had never seen anything but helpful posts from him on FR.
Sounds good. But I have seen a Freeper (1) unload on Freeper (2). Then Freeper (2) unloads back on Freeper (1). Freeper (2) gets banned, and Freeper (1) remains. And Freeper (1) continues to be nasty to others.
It is best to give the Freepers involved in a heated discussion a warning first. Then if one doesn't abide, I guess a ban for a time period would be in order. JMHO.
JR wasn’t baiting him, I don’t think that nor did I say that. I know Smith went over the line. I am not double guessing or whatever it might be called his banning, just the circumstances that led to it. Smith did lose control and was extremely rude, repeatedly, even though warned by several people.
On the eligibility threads there are a number of people who act like - well, they bait, they repeat the exact same stuff over and over again even though it’s proven wrong over and over again, pretend they don’t understand what is said, and in general act in such a way as to derail, obfuscate, confuse and mess up legitimate discussion. A lot of them started doing it right around the election, IIRC. I don’t think there were so many in the summer of 2008 although I could be wrong. More showed up after the election, and even more after 0thugga got sworn in. Maybe others will correct me if I am wrong.
Many have been banned. Some have obviously been hires, others may be volunteer 0thugga supporters, and some have admitted that they get their jollies being a-holes. One has admitted being paid.
I said you “suggested” he was provoked, which is how that comment (question) read to me. I never said you “stated” anything and my comment wasn’t intended to attack you. I wanted to make it clear that Smith was not provoked. If you say the words that you chose weren’t intended as an opinion - fine by me.
Yes I have seen that too. I have learned to walk away. At least I try to. Sometimes I get testy. But I try not to cross the line. I have asked posters why they are being snarky when I wasn’t. If they come back with more “snark”, I leave. There’s really no point in trying to communicate under those circumstances.
My post wasn’t a lie and wasn’t an attempt to rewrite history. It was also not an attack on you. So, I shouldn’t have to apologize to you, but I will.
Rxsid,
Please accept my apology for offending you.
Sincerely,
BuckeyeTexan
I forgot to address this. Unless someone hits "Abuse" a Mod may not be aware of what's brewing until it's out of control. They can't watch all of the threads all the time.
The thread is still there, you can go check out exactly what kind of poking was done.
IIRC, this was it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2536309/posts
***snicker***
I saw this quote recently and it does have value. I have to believe the truth always comes out eventually.
“There is nothing hidden, except to be disclosed; nor is anything secret, except to come to light.”—Mark 4:22
“to keep a secret, tell one, and not one other. If three know a thing, thousands will.” Viking folklore
Yes, I know that, and I expected him to be banned. He was getting rude, using obscenities and crossing the line. I probably would have banned him too, but don’t even try to deny there is an anti-birther mod. Tons of FReepers know better because that mod accidentally posted as mod and pinged all of HER anti birther pals to the thread. She forgot she was logged in under moderator. oops!
It doesn’t matter, it’s just not cool for mods to ping people to threads for the purpose of disrupting a thread.
Spoken by someone that voted for Hillary, then when exposed says he did it because Rush made him do it. Lame, really lame.
The guy in back should have been taking foot prints !!!
Yeah, that was Buckeye Texan. It really annoyed me. I've been an o-bot since '98 and no one ever paid me.
And an angel apparently.
Oh, and a paid Obot. /s
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