Posted on 09/02/2010 10:05:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Father arrested for child abuse for confrontation with 5th grader
An angry dad whose son was having problems with a fifth grader at his Hollywood elementary school decided to take matters into his own hands and pulled a stun gun on the frightened 11-year-old.
The incident happened Tuesday afternoon, as classes at Oakridge Elementary at 1507 North 28th Ave. were being dismissed.
According to police, the father, 66-year-old Jose Enrique Guerrero, confronted the fifth grader as he left the school campus, pushing him against a fence and threatening him with the stun gun while holding it inches from his face.
Guerrero allegedly told the boy, "Do you want some of this?"
When officers found Guerrero near the campus, he was wearing the stun gun on his waistband. He was arrested on a felony charge of child abuse.
The 11-year-old told officers he'd been "having problems" with Guerrero's son, according to police.
Neighbors of Guerrero were shocked to learn of his actions, partly because he is a pastor at a local church. he revealed his occupation to a Broward County judge, who was shocked to hear of the father's act of vengeance. "There's clearly more to this story," the judge said.
No one is letting on what was up between the two boys....but it must have been serious
“Reasoning. Calm, cool reasoning.”
Mike Brady
I’ll be the kid wished he was wearing a depends!
It is not like he actually used it..
Good for him. I bet the kid backs off now!
That Dad understands that you talk to a bully in terms he understands. Bully’s do not understand polite conversation, that’s a sign of weakness. However, being thrown against a fence and a taser held to your face conveys a message that most bullies are capable of understanding.
I don't care how much a bully is bullying your son.
Instead of teaching your son to stand up for himself you teach him to cry to daddy and daddy gets the stun gun?
This guy is a pastor? Turn the other cheek, while you reach for the stun gun?
Or, the dad IS a bully.
Stupid? Which one? The guy who pulled the taser on the kid, or the kid who picked on a kid with a psycho dad? Personally, I’d say both.
lol
Schools are horrible in dealing with bullying behavior. They let things slide as “kids being kids” when if the behavior going on were to occur in the workplace between adults, someone would go to jail.
OK, I’ll don the flame suit.
He should have tased the kid from behind, and then told him in his ear that either he finds a new profession besides ‘bully’, or he better start wearing rubber undies.
He should have been told that’ll he’ll know when and where every time he even contemplates intimidating another kid, and he’ll be there to make him soil his trou.
This, of course, after exhausting the limited and feckless resources of the school staff being notified, and after having been told there is little they can do about it, and after having been told by the police there is nothing they can do about it.
(All personal experience)
The alternative is talking to the other parent, and if you are lucky enough to find that they can exert some influence on the lad, then of course you don’t have to resort to that.
But, however, there are times where you have to place the protection of your family over the considerations of what the reciprocal use of violence on a bully will do to the poor boy in question.
There is no reasoning with tyrants. I would have tased him, gone home, and had a snack. Provided all the other avenues were exhausted, mind you.
Its not that having your kid stand up for himself is hard to do, But nowadays, standing up for yourself can get you kicked out of school. Schools find it easier to get rid of the victims than to deal with the bullies and their parents. Been there and done that.
So, what do you do if your kid is getting beaten, simply because he's smaller than the bully? If you talk to the teacher, the bully will typically take out whatever repremand out against your kid - a beating with a warning not to tell on him again. The cops getting involved has done nothing but to encourage the bully (See what happens if you dare touch me!, I can punch you, but if you hit back ....)
So, what do you do? This was a direct approach, given in a manner that the bully will understand. Bully's understand fear - that's the language they opt to communicate with - usually they are the one's who instill fear in their victims.
If the Dad WAS a bully, the bully would not have been warned or threatened - he would have been beaten. He would have black eyes, maybe a broken arm and cracked ribs - and then given a warning that if he said anything - the next 'visit' would result in his death. This would be followed up with a punch to the mouth, to reinforce the threat. That's the way bullies communicate.
As the case stands now - Dad tried a warning that was 'civil'. The next step will likely result in a life altering maiming or death of the bully. Or, Dad must accept his son's beatings and say nothing. Dear old Dad didn't initiate this, or provoke this - he's doing what he can to stop this from escalating. But, left alone - it will escalate in a way the Bully will not recover from.... it's inevitable.
“I don’t care how much a bully is bullying your son.”
Remove this statement from your post and you have a reasonable point. Keep this statement in and you convey the message that no matter the form, no matter the torment, no matter the brutality, you think a parent should not intervene.
I cannot do that, and did not do that when my son was relentlessly being bullied by two thugs. . .thugs that only stopped when I made it clear to the thugs that they would do nothing but hurt the rest of their life if they continued. Scared them straight. I did what the school refused (or was unable to do), and what the parents could not stop.
“They let things slide as “kids being kids” when if the behavior going on were to occur in the workplace between adults, someone would go to jail.”
Getting bullied sucks, but it is a part of growing up. I don’t think that expecting the schools to somehow stop bullying is very realistic. Even if they could, neither your parents or your teachers can protect you 24 hours a day; sooner or later, you’ll have to face a bully with nowhere to run to for help.
In school or out of school, if there was going to be a violent confrontation, the SON needed to be the one doing it, not the adult father.
Helicopter Parents just cannot let their little darlings grow up or do ANYTHING for themselves. Is it any wonder this guys little poofter 11 year old is getting picked on, if THIS is his father, and THIS is how his father deals with troubles in his son's life?
With this 66 year-old nutcase - anything or nothing could have triggered his craziness. There is nothing in the report to corroborate that his *son* was bullied.
The 11 year-old (alleged) bully could have said something about the other kid’s *old, old, old, old man*.
He should have tased the punk
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