Posted on 08/30/2010 4:36:54 PM PDT by DariusBane
So my question is:
How is small government and limited powers theory compatible with demanding an aggressive, omnipotent police force. How is the theory of freedom as espoused by Thomas Jefferson compatible with the ever present quest to compel your neighbors into behavior that you like. Why do the weakest, most frightened among us drive public policy at all levels of government. Why do "law and order conservatives" want to bring the full force of government upon their neighbors?
Here in California it is legal to make a right turn on a red light after you come to a complete stop behind the white line. This is our greatest cultural achievement.
Very well said.
Sorry. I'd go back to no turn on red at all. I find that there are lots of folks who approach a red light now and think they have a RIGHT to make a red turn. If I even have to think about stepping on my brakes approaching the green from their left, they need to be removed from the road. The police are never around and might not care if they were. And if I removed them, I would be charged with manslaughter.
ML/NJ
But one of the greats. Should be a statue built, using tax payer dollars of course. You will be compelled to pay for it at the point of a gun of course.
That’s because others have built the coercive power of the State for their own ends. I just hope to use it for my petty purposes.
Ha! Good thread subject...#4 is the one that pisses me off the most: Under-posted Speed Limits. I live near a town, Lincoln, MA, and their speed limit is 25 mph throughout the main part of the town people drive through, several miles worth.
They will stop you if you are doing 27 MPH, no lie. Bunch of snotty jerks who did that to keep the riff-raff out of town, kind of like another town, Manchester by The Sea (Yep, name of the town) where they have no parking areas in town for other than town residents.
We are like trained monkeys.
Twice over the past 15 years I’ve come to a construction area where both sides of the cross streets were closed and barricaded, but the idiots left the traffic light alone. Very depressing to see how many stopped and waited for the green light when it was very obvious there wouldn’t be any cross traffic coming for a couple months!
I’ve stopped then went thru when I had the lead. It was sort of disappointing that there is never a cop around when you want one, because for some perverse reason I was looking for a fight on that one.
Ok, so you are willing to use the full power and force of the government to give you a feeling of confidence. Are you so unable to protect yourself from idiots that you want to use guns, cops, tasers, courts, and money to feel comfortable? If that’s the case shame on you.
Keep your eyes open, keep yourself safe, and leave the government out of it.
You are not addressing the root question, you are only further advocating coercion to make yourself feel safe.
All states allow right turn on red (unless a sign specifically prohibits it).
I hate these people. I need to go to daily confession to atone for the invective I spew every morning towards this type of driver along with oldies, illegal immigrants, most women, Asians, etc..
I know I am going to Hell.
But the question is:
Why are your neighbors so intent on coercing you? Why are freedom loving conservatives some of the worse offenders when it comes to harnessing the full power of the State to force others to do what they want them to do? How is this compatible with limited government theory?
Because the weakest and most frightened vote, and money. There is no reason for the seatbelt laws other than for the cities to make a few bucks.
You should really be punished. You showed personal initiative. That can NOT be tolerated.
I agree with all of the above except for the restrictions on turning on red in either direction. Some intersections really do not provide good lines of sight at all (i.e., on a blind hill or very sharp curve) and turning on red should be restricted.
Our second greatest is that we allow lane sharing. There is no law prohibiting your from moseying your car right next to another car to make a right turn for example even if there is no delineated second lane. I understand that this is against the law in other states.
Cops cause crime.
“All states allow right turn on red (unless a sign specifically prohibits it).”
No they don’t, and...
That’s not the point of the thread.
If your done passing that vehicle in front of you, get the hell out of the left lane!
We have that in the People's Republic of Maine, it should be totally between you and the insurance company.
Not wearing a seat belt has about as much effect on others as failing to eat right or exercise. It increases your personal risk, perhaps — but it’s really no one’s business but your own.
Of course when you have the government providing "free" health care to half the state, the elderly, welfare queens and drug dealers, they now have a stake in controlling their lives (social engineering.)
Just trying to "hold down costs" doncha know.
Right on Red?? Even if legal, why do it when the Red Light camera gonna get you. We have them and the light flashes on right on red. I say stay put and back up traffic at rush hour, only way to get rid of them.
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