Posted on 08/28/2010 7:42:34 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
Did you know.......3.)
Approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts. Therefore, you are more than 60 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by a PALM TREE than a Pit Bull.
By your logic it would be tyrannical to ban the ownership of a full grown lion.
And by your “logic”, it would be acceptable to ban all mothers from having boyfriends, since they kill far more children than dogs of any breed do. Comparing a dog to a lion is a strawman, and might I say, stupid.
LOL!
Well played.
It’s legal to own a dog as long as the dog has not harmed anyone. In most areas of the country it is illegal to own a lion without a special permit.
A DOG is a domestic animal. A lion is a wild animal. There are laws to punish those who negligently allow their dogs to harm others. If a dog has not harmed anyone, and if its responsible owner restrains it properly and keeps it licensed and trained, the likelihood it will injure another person is very low, regardless of how the dog looks.
The dogs that injure people are owned by irresponsible, careless people who do not raise their animals properly nor train them. Some of these people take pleasure in making the dog aggressive toward others and they need to be dealt with by legal means.
Silly.
Charles, that was a very nice post and I appreciate it.
MY goal is to make people aware of the GOOD that can come from training a pit, a rottie, a GSD.... ANY dog WELL....thereby... decreasing dog bites.
They’re still dogs....to be treated as such, but to be TRAINED PROPERLY.
I also believe it’s a mighty slippery slope that the press has taken us on with the heavy reporting of pit bites. I’ll betcha there’s been a LOT of large animal bites that go unreported.
I don’t want breed selection legislation. What if MY breed is next?
Me? I’d take the dang OWNERS and jail them if I had my druthers...
Silly argument. It’s of little consolation whether a child’s face is eaten off by a lion or a dog, much more likely by a pit than a lion, incidentally. We’ve had several infants killed by pits here locally. Gee, it must be a great consolation to the mothers and fathers of those children knowing it was the irresponsible owner’s fault and not the dog. You people need to know the difference between legitimate police power and true oppression.
Wow that’s it? Silly? Well,that’ll teach me.
AND! I have leftovers that I can have for lunch at work.
Ta daaaaaa
As I said, It is clear there is a substantive difference in certain breeds of dogs. You can deny this all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.
And as I said, your response supported the argument made by some (not me) that pit bull owners are themselves the type of people to make threats. Your insistance that “your problem would be with me not the dog” merely illustrates the point I was making.
As for banning things, laws are mostly the restriction of some rights to protect other rights. As such, each law must be weighed for risks and rewards, and in some cases for constitutional muster.
So for your two examples, “banning guns” is unconstitutional, so we don’t even have to address whether the risk of guns is greater than the reward of ownership. Which of course, it isn’t — guns save lives.
“mamma’s boyfriend” is likely also a constitutional issue to some degree, but there ARE laws that allow the state to restrict some people from associations, if they are known to be dangerous. The state could well step in and prevent a known sexual predator from showing up at the house of a woman with a child, even on a date.
I don’t know whether you agree with laws that would restrict the rights of convicted sex offenders from getting access to children — it is clearly a restriction on someone’s rights, but is done to protect other rights. In each case, we have to decide which right is more important, the right of a sex offender to date a woman and go to her house, against the rights of the child in the house to not be confronted by a sexual predator.
As I said, in the case of a law about pit bulls, we would need to weigh the known risk of pit bulls living in a neighborhood, with whatever benefits there are to having pit bulls. And it could be that the correct solution would be to not allow pit bulls in neighborhoods with children, like we do with sex offenders. Or maybe requiring fences, or requiring that pit bulls never be allowed outside without human supervision. Or maybe no child’s life is worth any restrictions.
It wasn’t my argument. My argument, then and now, is that the original assertion of this thread, that coconuts were a bigger risk than pit bulls, was a stupid, fallacious argument — because I can guarantee I won’t get killed by a coconut, but the only way I can guarantee I won’t get killed by a pit bull is to ban pit bulls from where i live.
AWESOME!!!!!!!! Both videos!!!
Thanks!
I'm guessing that you do. Now, it is possible you live far out in some rural location where there is no law, but my guess is you do live under the authority of local and state government. Those governments, acting on behalf of your neighbors, tell you how you can live in your house, imposing things like setbacks, maybe the height of your grass, probably the types of things you can do on your property like turning it into a waste dump or running certain types of business. Further, I'm betting that in real life you are actually a human being with some notion of civility that seems somewhat lacking in your internet persona; and that if you were doing something on your property that upset your neighbors, and they came and asked nicely, you would take their opinion into account. That's what being neighbors is about. But if you truly believe that you have the absolute right to do whatever you want on your property without regard to how if impacts other property owners, then I apologize for suggesting you would be neighborly.
I think there are probably few people killed by other types of dogs. After all, any person killed by a dog would be a big news story, and if you actually believe there is a conspiracy by animal rights activists, they would certainly be looking to stop all dog ownership, not just pit bulls.
I’ve been attacked by dogs before, and generally, they don’t go for the kill. That seems to be the difference with the reported pit bull attacks — I wonder if in fact there are statistics showing that pit bull attacks more often end in death than other dogs, even while pit bull attacks are no more prevalent than other dogs.
Since I started these threads....I’ve been surprised with what I’ve been finding, stat-wise, regarding other breeds.
I don’t want ANYone hurt, ANYone killed, maimed, nothing....there’s just something that doesn’t sit right with me over the media hysteria.
Probably cuz they’re wrong...99.999999999% of the time.
PLEASE DON’T ASK for the stats...I’ve read them, but not kept the links...they ARE out there...
Would you authoritarian fascist please leave those cuddly pit bulls alone?
January 2010: Two Americans were killed by dogs this month.
On January 11, 2010, Omar Martinez, 3, was killed by a pit bull in his backyard in Apple Valley, California, a strict liability statute state.
On January 17, 2010, Johnny Wilson, 56, a resident of Chicago, Illinois, was killed in his own home by pit bulls being raised by his daughter. Illinois is a strict liability state.
February 2010: Seven Americans were killed by dogs this month.
On February 7, 2010, 63-year-old Carolyn Baker was killed by her Rottweiler at her home in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, a statutory strict liability state.
On February 12, 2010, 6-year-old Anastasia Bingham of Terry, Mississippi, was killed by a dog as she was playing in front of her house. There were 6 dogs at large in the area; the dog that killed the child is believed to be a pit bull. Mississippi is a one-bite state.
On February 18, 2010, 11-day old Robert D. Hocker of Independence, Minnesota, was killed in his car seat on a bed in the bedroom. The dog was a Siberian husky, belonging to his parents. Minnesota is a strict liability state.
On February 20, 2010, 37-year-old Christine Staab was killed by her mother’s 6 pit bulls during an argument between the two adults, at their home in Fishtown, Pennsylvania, which is a statutory strict liability state.
Also on February 20, 2010, 3-year-old _____ Haaker (first name withheld), the daughter of Lori Haaker, 47, and Alan Haaker of Ocala, Florida, was mauled to death by one of her parents’ 4 American bulldogs. Her parents were breeders of the dog that killed her. Florida is a statutory strict liability state.
On February 25, 2010, a 5-day-old baby was killed by a pit bull that attacked the child in his bassinet. This happened in Conyers, Georgia, a “mixed” law state.
On February 28, 2010, 4-year-old Ashlynn Anderson, the stepdaughter of Jesse Browning (the star of a reality show about loggers) was attacked and killed by the family’s Rottweiler in Astoria, Oregon, in a one bite state.
March 2010: two Americans died from dog attacks this month.
On March 4, 2010, 65-year old Ethel Horton was killed by her nephew’s pit bull as she tried to prevent it from killing her husband. The dog had been chained in their yard. This happened in Lucknow, South Carolina. This is a statutory strict liability state.
On March 8, 2010, 8-month-old Justin Josiah Big Soldier-Lopez was mauled to death by two Rottweilers that were given to his parents just days before. This happened on tribal land near Tryon, Oklahoma, which is a statutory strict liability state.
April 2010: one child was killed by a dog this month in the USA.
On April 14, 2010, a 7-day-old infant was killed by the baby’s father’s pit bull, while the baby’s 16-year-old mother was sleeping. This happened inside her residence in New Port Richey, FL, which is a strict liability state.
May 2010: two Americans were killed this month.
On May 20, 2010, 3-year-old Krystal Brink of Napakiak, Alaska, was killed by one or more chained dogs. The unsupervised girl wandered up to the dogs. Alaska is a one-bite state.
On May 27, 2010, Nathan Aguirre, a 2-year old, was killed by his parents’ pit bull in San Bernardino, California. He had been riding his tricycle and playing with his father. California is a statutory strict liability state.
June 2010: two people were killed by dogs this month in the USA.
On June 3, 2010, Savannah Gragg, age 9, was severely mauled by the family pit bull as she opened the door of her house to let the dog out. This happened in Kokomo, Indiana, a strict liability state.
On June 15, 2010, 30-year old Michael Winters of Lorain County, Ohio, was killed by 5 bullmastiff-mixes, three pit bull-mixes and one rottweiler-mix owned by his father. Ohio is a strict liability state.
July 2010. Three Americans have been killed by dogs so far this month. On July 12, 2010, 5-year-old Kyle Holland of Lincoln Park, Michigan, was killed by his parents’ dogs. The boy was sleeping when the white Labrador mix and/or the husky and German shepherd mix mauled him to death. Michigan is a statutory strict liability state.
On July 20, 2010, two pit bulls killed 71-year-old Wiliam Parker of Memphis, Tennessee, and injured 4 other people. Tennessee is a statutory strict liability state. Sherry Wooten, 23, has been charged with negligent homicide, and four counts of felony reckless endangerment for the four others injured by the dogs. (Read the story by The Commercial Appeal.)
On July 22, 2010, Jacob Bisbee, a two-year-old boy, was killed by his step-grandfather’s pit bulls in Concord, California, a strict liability state. The dog owner has been arrested on suspicion of child endangerment and owning a mischievous animal that caused great bodily injury or death, both felonies. (Video of this story by NBC.)
Sheesh.
All I had was a glass of green tea and some dry roasted peanuts.
I feel deprived.
TRAIN YOUR ANIMALS, people!!!
KNOW who you're buying from!!!
Cobb salad.
Coke. (free)
Starbucks coffee that I must go drink b/4 it gets too cold.
:)
Indeed....you are deprived....
Geeze woman...why don’t you just detail the entire experience, bite-by-bite so I can *really* lose my will to live?
:))
Well, OK, if you insist.
First I took it out of the nice packaging...then I poured some ranch dressing on. Wait. I stirred the salad first. THEN poured the dressing on.
Then, I carried it and the Coke to this room, my pack, of course, following me, as they KNOW the best place to be is by my feet as I eat.
(I am a putz and spill sometimes.) (Fine. A lot.)
I think I’ll stop now.
Ha!
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