Columbo.
Posted on 08/23/2010 12:58:00 PM PDT by Corazon
WAS OBAMA GIVEN A CERTIFICATE NUMBER WHICH HAD BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE? by Sharon Rondeau In June, The Post & Email solicited funds for its Legal Defense Fund for a specific research project focusing on details and discrepancies surrounding Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. Many of our readers were very generous with their donations, including one who put forth a “matching grant” challenge which was met and even surpassed. With the help of a private donor, The Post & Email was able to fund an investigative journey to Hawaii for an experienced researcher. The results of the investigation follow in the researcher’s own words.........
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Yes, the June 12th, 2008 DailyKos fraudulent Obama COLB with the blacked out certificate number because Obama didn't have one. And then later the stolen certificate number shows up when the Obama operatives published the Politifact COLB with the stolen certificate number.
I’ve read that the numbers were assigned as the registrations came in, but I would like to know what effect weekends had on the process. The Nordyke twins were born on Saturday, 0bama on Friday evening.
If it’s anything like state offices I’ve seen, nothing happened until Monday. Would all the “weekend” files sit in a big batch, all processed Monday August 8th, or would the weekend backlog be in batches, processed over the next few days?
From what I can see, the hospitals each had their day when they took their BC’s to the HDOH. Kapiolani appears to have submitted theirs on Fridays, and all the BC’s I’ve been able to see show them both received and filed by the State Registrar on that same day.
So if Obama had been born at Kapiolani on Friday evening (Aug 4) his BC should have gone with the Nordykes’ (who were born the next day) to the HDOH on the following Friday and would have been given a cert number on Aug 11th, just like the Nordykes’ were.
So Obama’s official story falls apart not only because the “date filed” doesn’t fit with the certificate numbers - but also because the “date filed” doesn’t fit with the place he claims he was born.
Wow, that would be an honor!
:) tick tock
Their house of lies, and their house of cards is about to all fall down, LORD WILLING !
You noticed that, too? I feel sorry for the people who donated money to send this person on a Hawaiian vacation.
Yep
butterdezillion His had been in the file numbered for 2 full days before the Nordyke certs ever showed up. So how did he get a later number than theirs?
Explain to me, do you guys disagree, or is it the Birther position that BO executed a brilliant forgery campaign, wherein he secretly altered the microfilm copies of news papers, and official government records, including, presumably, back up copies, but stupidly went to all of that trouble to insert an out of sequence number into the records?
So, is the an to track down thepeople reportedly born in this timeframe and record/verify their birth certificate numbers?
That would require finding about 50 certificates, seems like it could be done.
I think an investigative journalist would get a handsome return on this investment. A paper would easily have the resources available.
Let’s see it happen.
I can’t explain it. I can postulate that the usual Registrar might have been on vacation and someone else messed things up a bit, or perhaps a date was fudged, but that is pure speculation.
A good researcher would establish a history of registration date vs number for births during the period. Unlike Obama’s information, other births in that time period should be easily available for public scrutiny. If it can be demonstrated that Obama is the only case where registration date and number are out of sequence, then there is a significant issue. OTOH - if it is commonplace for the numbers to be out of sequence, despite what has been previously explained, then this is a non-issue.
Frankly, I’ve always found it odd that the registration number was blanked out on the first alleged BC that was shown, then in a later version the registration number was shown.
Why was it bad to show the first time, but ok to show the second time?
“At the right time, it will be presented and not a moment before.”
This sounds like what people were saying about the Clinton campaign in 2008: that at the “right” time, she would pull out her ace in the hole—Obama’s ineligibility—and stop the freight train dead in its tracks. It never happened. So I hope you’re right, but I sure am not holding my breath.
Fixed it for ya'.
Obama hasn’t altered anything at the HDOH and therein lies his problem. The HDOH knows he posted a forgery, and if the HDOH would ever have to show even so much as a non-certified COLB - which HDOH rules require to be released to anybody who asks for it - then the forgery would be seen because it doesn’t match the official records.
I suspect that Obama hadn’t anticipated the problems with his BC being amended - hadn’t realized that the amendment would have to be shown on any BC (either long-form or abbreviated) that the HDOH prints for him, or that his BC number would reflect the date of the AMENDMENT, since that was when his BC was finally completed.
HRS 338-18 is clear that disclosures by the HDOH are supposed to be done through disclosure of the actual DOCUMENTS as instructed in the Administrative Rules - not by announcements, since 338-18a forbids HDOH personnel from disclosing anything that is on a birth certificate outside the channels outlined by the laws and rules.
The reason for that is clear: anything officially printed has to have note of the legal status of the record. Fukino has NOWHERE said what the status of Obama’s BC is. The records themselves would HAVE to say the status, which is why the law requires disclosures to be made via DOCUMENT RELEASE.
The HDOH knows the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. When I asked Okubo directly whether she would report a forgery to law enforcement if she knew of it, she said she couldn’t reveal ANYTHING from a BC. So HDOH officials are officially on record saying it’s OK to tell the public that the BC says Obama was born in Hawaii but NOT OK to report a forgery to law enforcement. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?
It’s a perversion of due process and the rule of law.
It was pretty darn stupid of Obama’s people to not use the “date filed” as well as the BC# of the person they stole the BC# from. I suspect they left the “date filed” that is actually on Obama’s BC and just put the BC# from this other person, not going to the trouble that I went to of looking at other BC’s from Kapiolani and seeing that they were submitted to the HDOH on Fridays.
Regarding the microfilms of the newspapers, if I had permission from the person who let me see the copies of the newspapers themselves I could prove to you that the microfilms were changed out at least once in every library we checked which has the 1961 Advertiser or Star-Bulletin (and there is only one library that has them that we didn’t check). They did the really stupid thing of changing out clean microfilms for supposedly scratched ones, so that the microfilms got cleaner over time rather than more scratched up. They made a lot of other errors also, but without permission I can’t show you the proof.
So no, Mojitojoe and I aren’t in disagreement over this. The Factcheck COLB is a forgery; the HDOH is refusing to show anything official because it would prove the forgery. The newspaper announcements are forged also, and we have proof that the microfilms were changed out. There’s more too, but without permission I can’t show the proof.
I can’t find anybody on Oahu who is even willing to look at index records at the HDOH for me. The chances of somebody from there coming forward and volunteering their newspaper clipping is very small. The best bet would probably be somebody who was in the military at that time and kept a clipping of their child’s birth announcement.
If anybody knows how to get access to people who might have been in that situation, I’d love the chance to at least ask them about it.
The propagandist have told us it doesn’t matter where he was born.
The propagandist will begin to tell us it doesn’t matter if he is a muslim.
I think if truth be told everything about this Kenyan the propagandist would tell us it doesn’t matter.
A good researcher can’t get access to BC#’s unless the holders of the BC decide to give them access. Non-certified COLB’s are supposed to be releasable to anybody who asks for them, but the HDOH is not following the laws or rules at this point. That is just a fact.
And that’s exactly why this is not really about Obama at all. It’s about laws and rules being routinely broken for the sake of a political agenda.
I have looked at all the long-form BC’s that I can find on the web and compared the hospital with the dates of birth and filing, and what I can see is that Kapiolani submitted their BC’s on Fridays. That fits the picture of what Lori Starfelt says the HDOH told her.
Ultimately, the only serial number we have - the only thing that acts as a date and time stamp at the HDOH - is the BC# itself. There is also the original birth index which would probably have the BC#’s and dates of filing, but the HDOH claims that no longer exists even though it existed in 1980 and was required to be kept permanently at the HDOH.
It’s one of a couple permanent records that the HDOH says doesn’t exist. I don’t know about you, but destroying critical permanent records that would prevent fraud is not cool in my book. Every law-abiding person should be screaming bloody heck for this. But the media won’t report it.
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