Posted on 08/12/2010 4:38:40 PM PDT by plinyelder
What reason if any, is there a need for registering a gun?
The way that I see it is .. ONLY Law abiding citizens will follow the registration laws while a criminal WILL get a weapon .. whether it is a knife, grenade, hammer, gun, whatever .. Regardless of law!?
Hence,the question: What reason do we need gun registration laws?
I disagree... if they [the ‘felon’] have served their sentence then, as far as the legal-system should be concerned they *HAVE* “paid their debt to society” and as such should have their full rights and privileges restored. The term ‘felon’ as used in the vernacular is usually what would better be termed ‘ex-felon’ as [most times, in my experience] the person being discussed has already served their sentence.
What of misdemeanors that are ‘upgraded’ to felonies?
Or, on the subject of “violent crimes” it is illegal for a person who has a domestic abuse restraining order to own/possess a firearm; these restraining orders are relatively easy to get and require *no* trial whatsoever. Is that just? Consider that they are, as far as our judicial-system is concerned, ‘violent criminals.’
It is unfortunate 'but' .. I believe that the public has been so profoundly brain-washed on This and so many other Communistic propaganda, (or is that 'propagandi? lol) that the America that we once knew is too far gone and 'Laws' like this will Never be overturned!
if he cant be trusted, he'll arm himself anyways and shouldnt be sharing the sidewalk with my family...
A Right does not need permission - registration is a permission slip - when you register you are signing a permission slip...just saying....
agreed Sir...also in the future, who gets to define what a felony ‘is’...
going to come from that could take the guns away from
90,000,000 gun owners,,,
Americans have bought up the ammo production of this country
for well over a year,,,
We are armed to the teeth,,,
All the military and cops number less than 3,000,000 total.
No Way the Gubmint can enforce their will on US...
Well we can rest assured that No Members of Congress will EVER commit one! (a felony)
tim geithner either!
We already have that problem; there’s the Lacey Act which is so broad that it makes possession of a lobster a possible felony.
Watch the videos on this page:
http://ualbertalaw.typepad.com/faculty/2009/04/should-you-talk-to-the-cops.html
> We are armed to the teeth,,,
>
>All the military and cops number less than 3,000,000 total.
>
>No Way the Gubmint can enforce their will on US...
Not *QUITE* true. One big problem is that many American Citizens have different “lines in the sand” that the government has to cross before getting bothered enough to do something about it; the Founding Fathers acknowledged this in the Declaration of Independence saying: “accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”
To illustrate, imagine the federal government pushing until some city somewhere ‘cracked’ and then responded with the “appropriate force.” Would the ‘spin’ be like that of the Huataree militia? Would it be like David Koresh’s Branch Davidian and have the major support because “they were polygamists/pedophiles/cultists” [i.e. “they were evil”]?
If the Fe[d]eral Government can muster the discipline to ‘nibble’ at that line ticking off only a few people, then retaliating against them, and then ‘nibbling’ again at the edge they could conceivably whittle away all would-be resistors to their will and then have society to do with as they will. Somewhat fortunately for ‘us’ humanity is tempted to blindness from arrogance and a decoupling-of-restraint from greed when put into positions of power... this makes it *highly* likely that they will not be able to control themselves and “bite off more than they should.”
Waco first,,,
If those people had wanted to kill anybody they could have
blown the motor block out of that truck at over 250 yards
and killed everybody in the trailer before they could
have run 200+ yards for cover,,,
Best not to try that again,,,
Now lets look at a “city”,,,
Hippies and blacks started riots in many cities in the
north and west coast in the 60's,,, Most were armed with a few handguns,,,
The “King” riot comes to mind,,,
IIRC it took 17,000 Marines and all the LEO’s they could
find 3-4 days to stop it,,,
As for a ‘nibble’ yes,,,that would work in some places,,,
Some places have Neighborhood SWAT” is in effect...;0)
they, nor We the People, really want to go there...
Long guns are not registered and the serial numbers are not put on the firearms transfer forms. Handguns are not FORMALLY registered, but are defacto registered on the firearms transfer forms, which are supposed to be destroyed.
If the forms were destroyed as required by law, then we would not have this defacto registration. Since the forms are kept by the firearms dealers forever, as required by BATF (in violation of the law), California state has a defacto firearms registration.
You better believe it. If a California gun is stolen and turns up in a crime, you better believe that it will be traced back to the original purchaser this way. That is registration.
And those permanently kept records can be used for gun confiscation.
As for long guns, there is no defacto registration. When the California AG went to confiscate SKSs, they could only find those from people who sent in registration forms for guns that California mis-labelled as “assault weapons”.
They can and they do, one no-knock raid at a time.
>All the military and cops number less than 3,000,000 total.<
Where the drastic shortage of personnel shows up is when there is numerous disturbances occurring in the same city, state or nationwide simultaneously. A delayed or insufficient response only serves to embolden the offenders and their supporters.
A neighbor said his father had a Winchester 94 that was given to a relative of his when he was released from jail, way back when. He was mostly Cheyenne Indian and they turned him loose with a mule and a rifle so he could go far away.
They are in Oregon and, I've heard, Illinois. Oregon does it's NICS through the State Police.
SCOTUS ruled in Haynes vs. US(1968) that criminals are not required to register their firearms, as it violates their rights(self-incrimination) under the 5th Amendment.
The authors of the 2nd Amendment wrote the Militia Act of 1792, wherein all were required to obtain standardized rifles and register accordingly - not so as the government could eye them with suspicion, but to know who could be turned to for well-armed defense in a time of need.
i forgot about that one...so why do i hafta comply, dont non-’criminals’ get 5A protection too ???
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