Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Been around for years. Midway had a sale on them last year for about $25. You can talk and have a normal conversation at the Range, and fire all day. I bought a bunch for everyone I know. They run on a battery and have a volume control.
I agree with a few posters, a 12-gauge pump shotgun with 18” barrel is the perfect home defense gun. Discharging ANY weapon inside a house is going to be loud so I don’t buy that arguement there.
Don’t get me wrong, I have a .45acp I use for carry and HD as well but one has to be more precise with a .45acp round as opposed to a shotgun. A properly setup HD shotgun (instant-on light, 8+ round magazine, tritum sights) will be better in almost any situation. A pistol is handy for ‘clearing’ around walls and doors and should be on your hip as backup.
A Mini14/AR15 in a home? No F’in way, even with frangible bullets! Even 9mm and .45acp rounds will be a problem if you miss your target as a bullet will go through several walls before stopping. 00 and 000 shot will not penetrate through multiple walls yet all energy will be absorbed by an immediate target.
Price: $705.00
HiPoint = Ugly + Junk (Yes I do own one, and use it now as a paperweight)
Agreed.
One also needs to consider other aspects as well, such and pointing and shooting without aiming (especially when roused from a sleep). As for rate of fire auto loaders are pretty damn quick.
The only drawbacks are the large holes in the walls and doors, length of the firearm in tight spaces, lack of ammunition (3-5 rounds).
I don't know about "ugly", but I bought one in .40 S&W and after keeping it, "un-fired" for nine months, I traded it in for a Glock in the same caliber. I love it!
Cool, thanks.
BOOM!
If the bg's a rational person, of course, he's gonna freeze and soil his pants. But what if he's in a separate reality from drugs, and he's armed or just physically capable of harm? Or what if he's a professional criminal who will know from that racking sound where to shoot, and that he's got about three microseconds to do it?
Check out this thread for an example:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2568496/posts
I can only suggest what other people do, of course, but in a standoff at my house the sound that guy's going to hear is a different one.
Cycling any type of gun tends to give away your position. I personally do not think that is a good idea.
me too ... my bedside companion ... .410 000 4 pellet load from Federal
The shotgun doesn’t give much in the way of pellet dispersion at room ranges. Plus you’ve the weapon’s length to handle.
I’ve been a bad boy, simply taking along my .40 USPc to investigate things, but am training myself to take along one of the ARs (16”, Aimpoint, adjustable stock and 30 rounds) when the need occurs, and that should be sufficient for point defense.
But to be fair to myself, if I’ve pants on, I’ve got the pistol, with or without the carbine, which I think to be a good thing.
Correct...While the sound of a shotgun racking is a terrifying sound to be on the ‘receiving’ end it does give away your position. Any/all HD weapons should be at the ready.
A .45 ACP Carbine would be cool -
the requirement that I would impose on it would be that it would accept .45 ACP handgun magazines, ie, are interchangeable.
I want my mags to be used by as many guns, interchangeably, as possible.
As long as you load it with the .45LC and not the .410 junk, it will work okay for home defense, but it’s far from a great choice as the BOT showed.
Diesel or gasoline?
[smile]
--in the unlikely situation where it will be fired at an intruder, the first two loads from my "coach gun" will be trap loads--not particularly noisy but can be followed by a couple with #4 buck---
Not really a good home defense choice though. Put the .45LC rounds in it.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
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