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Coffee shops are taking Wi-Fi off the menu
Los Angeles Times ^ | Sunday, August 8th 2010 | Jessica Guynn

Posted on 08/08/2010 4:24:04 PM PDT by Willie Green

To stimulate sales, coffeehouses are pulling the plug on the Net.

Reporting from San Francisco —

Housed in an old San Francisco warehouse, Four Barrel Coffee — with its vintage record player, 53-year-old coffee roasting machine, tables hewn from recycled wood and wall of mounted boar heads — calls one of the world's most wired cities home.

But don't expect to get an Internet connection there.

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Coffee connoisseurs hooked on this roaster's beans won't find a working signal — or even a power outlet. The uninitiated often try to plug into a fake one that owner Jeremy Tooker spray painted on the wall as a gag.

"There are lots of marks on the drywall," Tooker said, laughing.

About 30 miles south in Palo Alto, the heart of Silicon Valley's technology industry, the Coupa Cafe offers some of the fastest Internet service in town. But even this popular hangout for entrepreneurs and venture capitalists bans Wi-Fi on weekends to make room for customers sans laptops.

"We had big parties or family groups who wanted to eat but had no room," said Jean Paul Coupal, who runs the cafe with his mother, Nancy. "They were getting upset about it. They felt the whole place was being taken over by techies."

Coffee shops were the retail pioneers of Wi-Fi, flipping the switch to lure customers. But now some owners are pulling the plug. They're finding that Wi-Fi freeloaders who camp out all day nursing a single cup of coffee are a drain on the bottom line. Others want to preserve a friendly vibe and keep their establishments from turning into "Matrix"-like zombie shacks where people type and don't talk.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Food
KEYWORDS: freeloaders
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1 posted on 08/08/2010 4:24:07 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Whoever came up with the business idea of trying to attract freeloaders?

Seriously.

Probably got a bonus for that great idea.


2 posted on 08/08/2010 4:26:06 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: Willie Green

see also http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2566870/posts


3 posted on 08/08/2010 4:28:03 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa
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To: Willie Green
The uninitiated often try to plug into a fake one that owner Jeremy Tooker spray painted on the wall as a gag. "There are lots of marks on the drywall," Tooker said, laughing.

And these are the people that run the world...

4 posted on 08/08/2010 4:28:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Gawd I love being an American.)
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To: Willie Green

But what about the trains, Willie ? What about the trains ?


5 posted on 08/08/2010 4:29:25 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Willie Green

Even McDonalds has WiFi, if they don’t and I want to read on-line, I’ll find someplace that does.

I am not a free loader there to get free internet although I see many who are in shops for that purpose.


6 posted on 08/08/2010 4:29:40 PM PDT by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sandersp>)
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To: Willie Green

The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray.


7 posted on 08/08/2010 4:30:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Whoever came up with the business idea of trying to attract freeloaders? Seriously. Probably got a bonus for that great idea.

Probably the guys that figured you could execute the tightest imaginable target marketing to a generation that lives online when you can read their every keystroke.

And sell 'em a 5 dollar cup of coffee once in a while.

Starbucks used to require you to buy something once in a while and for some reason stopped. Pity, 'cause I can't stand their coffee.

The other place down the road, before they burned to the ground when one of their roasting machines went haywire -- I always bought something anytime I came in to check my email.

Yesterday I spent 20 bucks at another place on a tiny lunch for the privilege 'cause Starbucks was full of...well..."freeloaders", I suppose.

8 posted on 08/08/2010 4:32:54 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Gawd I love being an American.)
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To: Willie Green
They're finding that Wi-Fi freeloaders who camp out all day nursing a single cup of coffee are a drain on the bottom line.

This is a problem that's easily fixed by having each unique Mac address (that's the unique address for every network card in a computer) which has grabbed an IP address time out after say, 30 minutes. That's what most of the coffee and sandwich shops in the loop (Chicago) do and it works quite well. Can't nurse that cup of coffee all day anymore taking up room for PAYING customers that way.

Go to any Panera Bread in the Chicago area, you only get 30 minutes on their wireless in a 24 hour time period and I don't see them hurting for customers.

9 posted on 08/08/2010 4:34:06 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Red in Blue PA

The proper model for WiFi is:

1. No free refills.
2. expensive drinks.
3. no power outlet.

Within 3 years, deployment of 4G wireless broadband will have anyone who wants to be online at a resuraunt able to do so anywhere.

The key is to keep them spending money.


10 posted on 08/08/2010 4:34:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m gonna start up a string of Wi-Fi shops where you pay to get the wireless access, and you get the coffee for free.

Maybe call it ‘Wireless Coffee’.


11 posted on 08/08/2010 4:36:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Willie Green

Yeah, it’s called budgetary spending cuts.......... =.=


12 posted on 08/08/2010 4:36:18 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Willie Green

Makes good business sense to me. If it is costing more to provide an incentive than the revenue it brings in, get rid of it.


13 posted on 08/08/2010 4:39:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The frog who accepts a ride from a scorpion should expect a sting and the phrase "it is my nature.")
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To: Red in Blue PA
Whoever came up with the business idea of trying to attract freeloaders?

If lefty eggheads are willing to pay $10.99 for a fair-trade, non-fat, skinny latte topped with organic cinnamon served in an unbleached, 100% recyclable, non-carbon-footprint cup along with a transfat-free granola muffin, I guess they've earned the right to DUeep (or whatever the DU equivalent to FReeping is) for as long as they want to.

14 posted on 08/08/2010 4:39:30 PM PDT by rickmichaels (Allah AkBarack!!!)
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To: Willie Green
The only possible reason I've ever had to visit a Starbucks type place is to check in with office things. I order a drink I don't really want (Tea. Can't believe people actually put coffee in their mouths) just for the privilege.

But I suppose if I'm taking up a space of somebody that will spend more than me, so be it.

15 posted on 08/08/2010 4:41:00 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: MrEdd; Willie Green

Interesting!


16 posted on 08/08/2010 4:41:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: Willie Green
Hmmmph...my idea of a "coffee shop" is Denny's, Shari's, Shoney's, Frisch's, etc.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to spend enough time in a Starbuck's to justify surfing the web.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

17 posted on 08/08/2010 4:49:16 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: usconservative

Thanks for the warning. My kid has a 3 hour class “in town” several nights a week and I’ve been looking for a new place to spend an hour or so. I’ve been thinking of trying the Panera Bread for a change, but I’ll cross that off my list. I’d have a problem with only 30 minutes since I not only drink coffee, but also plan a dinner and/or splurge on a “fancy” dessert.


18 posted on 08/08/2010 4:54:00 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: FourPeas
Before you scratch them off your list, give them a try first. My own experience with them here in the Chicago area may be different than the Panera Bread's in your area.

BTW: I certainly don't begrudge Panera Bread for limiting customers to 30 minutes of free wireless. It's an added "benefit" to choosing them for lunch IMO, and I get to update my iPad with the latest Wall Street Journal, USA Today and Fox News content for the long train ride home.

19 posted on 08/08/2010 4:58:55 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Willie Green

Internet child predators will have to go to the library to make their arrangements...


20 posted on 08/08/2010 4:59:48 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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