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Marine Accused Of Throwing Kitten at Wall
NBC San Diego ^ | Wed, Jul 28, 2010 | ERIC S. PAGE

Posted on 07/28/2010 11:02:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A U.S. Marine who allegedly hurled a kitten 15 feet against a wall is due in court Thursday on, authorities said.

Fernando Pacheco, 27, was at a friend's home in midtown San Diego last June when the kitten either bit or scratched him, according to San Diego Humane Society officials. Pacheco allegedly threw the animal across a patio and into a wall, breaking its leg. The then-4-month-old cat also suffered head trauma, and its eyes and nose were bloodied as well.

Cullen the cat has recovered completely, according to the humane society, but the cat's owner incurred more than $5,000 in veterinary bills.

Humane society officials said they recently sent the results of their investigation to the district attorney's office after a long investigation.

Pacheco is scheduled to be in court Thursday afternoon to face animal cruelty charges, according to an official with the district attorney's office.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: kitty; marines
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To: nickcarraway

Did the cat fling 15 feet because the guy reacted to it biting and scratching him and he knocked it? Or did he pick the cat up and intentionally wind up and throw it into a wall?

The first is nothing as far as I’m concerned, the latter is well just a disturbed person.

Pity, from this report you can’t tell what happened at all.


41 posted on 07/29/2010 2:53:53 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: phelix

If this cat bit or scratched him and he reacted by flinging his arm out to get the cat off of him and the thing wound up hitting a wall, that’s not abuse.

If he picked the cat up, wound up like a pitcher and intentionally threw him into the wall, that’s abuse.

Failing to see the difference between two is foolish.


42 posted on 07/29/2010 2:55:57 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: phelix

If you had never been around a cat I would believe that making that ridiculous statement was just naivete. But since you claim to have decades of experience it is obviously a deliberate distortion of the truth. You destroyed your own integrity with that and your follow-up statement trying to put words in my mouth. Your character is now clear.


43 posted on 07/29/2010 2:58:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

You are an idiot.


44 posted on 07/29/2010 3:01:40 PM PDT by phelix
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To: phelix

You are a liar. I’d rather be an idiot.


45 posted on 07/29/2010 3:04:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: phelix

Well, I guess I must have been imagining it when our cat completely unprovoked jumped up on my very young son’s face and scratched and bit him, while my son and I were playing with blocks.

I must also be a “cruel” person, because that cat never got a chance to try anything like that again.

Or, it could have been that the cat which we had for a couple years before my son was born, was jealous of my son, and your statement is a complete exaggeration of cat behavior on not ever being a aggressor.

Also, maybe the marine should pay for the cats treatment, maybe not, depending on whether the animal was the aggressor, however animal cruelty laws, especially in situations such as these, are complete and total stupidity. Just another way for government to be “helpful” and really just encroaching on our lives.

At most, he should have to pay the vet bill, and only if the he provoked the cat, otherwise that’s what happens when your pets lash out, they get hurt, or killed, and you as the owner can be held responsible. And everyone here knows, that if it had been a pitbull, instead of a cat biting or scratching, it would already be dead, and nobody would think twice about it.


46 posted on 07/29/2010 3:32:03 PM PDT by jkeith3213
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To: TigersEye

47 posted on 07/29/2010 3:32:34 PM PDT by phelix
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To: arthurus
No creature bites or scratches without provocation

What a complete load of crap. My cate HATES humans and will bite and claw you at the slightest provocation.

She LIKES me for some reason ... go figure.

48 posted on 07/29/2010 3:48:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Three things you don't discuss in public; politics, religion, and choice of caliber.)
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To: jkeith3213
Well, I guess I must have been imagining it when our cat completely unprovoked jumped up on my very young son’s face and scratched and bit him, while my son and I were playing with blocks.

I am so sorry that happened. I hope very much that your son is ok.

Invasive government disgusts me as well. It really pains me, however, when people are unnecessarily cruel to animals and cause them to suffer. To let these acts of violence go unpunished assaults my sense of what is just and fair. I wonder if those who have so little regard for the life of a small creature will not also have little regard for other human lives.

I do not mean to pre-judge this man. I hope he is judged fairly.

My statement concerning cat behavior was based on my own experience. Most cats I've dealt with will ignore you if you ignore them. No exaggeration was intended. Jealousy could certainly have been a factor in your case. For whatever reason the cat attacked your son, no one can fault you for protecting your child.
49 posted on 07/29/2010 4:13:53 PM PDT by phelix
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To: phelix

That happened almost 5 years ago, when he was about 9 months old, fortunately unless you know about it, you can’t really see the scars.

I understand being upset, at what you believe would be abuse, but animal cruelty laws are still hogwash invented by statists. Most any case like this would already fall under personal property damages, and could be settled through destruction of property and tort laws, if the marine was truly the aggressor. Animal cruelty is a misdemeanor law created by statists and groups such as the humane society, who’s ultimate goal is control, and outlawing of hunting, eating meat etc, and control of people, either through aligning with their advocacy, or directing their behavior.

They routinely attack hunting, fishing, animal farming and butchering, trying for more restrictions, and the eventual outlawing, or severe restriction to the point that it might as well be outlawed. Then the prey on people’s personal feelings for their own pets, to advance their agenda.

As I’ve said before in other such discussions, people have the right to be upset, at what they perceive to be wrong, however they do not have the right to restrict that perceived wrong, unless they can show damages to themselves personally, or other people, or to their property.

Liberty is where no man has the right, to tell you what you can or cannot do unless you are injuring other people, or their property.

I’m sorry I rambled on, and I do hope if the man was in the wrong he pays that debt, or in the right, exonerated, but I do not nor will I ever understand, people’s seeming need to try to run other people’s lives.


50 posted on 07/29/2010 6:11:04 PM PDT by jkeith3213
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To: HamiltonJay
If this cat bit or scratched him and he reacted by flinging his arm out to get the cat off of him and the thing wound up hitting a wall, that’s not abuse. If he picked the cat up, wound up like a pitcher and intentionally threw him into the wall, that’s abuse. Failing to see the difference between two is foolish.

Point well taken - and I agree. The article, however, stated that he allegedly threw the kitten 15 feet. I could be mistaken but it seems to me that 15 feet would require some deliberate force. It also seems to me that it would take considerable force to break its leg, cause head trauma, and nose and eye bleeding. I'm guessing that a four month old kitten would weigh anywhere from three to five pounds.
51 posted on 07/29/2010 7:44:47 PM PDT by phelix
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To: jkeith3213
They routinely attack hunting, fishing, animal farming and butchering, trying for more restrictions, and the eventual outlawing, or severe restriction to the point that it might as well be outlawed. Then the prey on people’s personal feelings for their own pets, to advance their agenda.

I understand what you are saying about agendas, government control and preying on people's emotions. You are absolutely right that some animal cruelty activists are the very people involved in making arbitrary laws to enable the government to seize more control.

You and I are on the same page where it comes to rights for hunters, fishermen, etc. We do what we have to do to survive. I would not hesitate to put down an animal that was responsible for a life-threatening situation.

To me though it is more than a matter of property rights when someone willfully causes needless pain and suffering to an innocent creature. In my view, property damage is one thing - cruelty is something else altogether. Property doesn't feel pain.

I respect your position, however, and I am very glad to hear your son is doing well. What a horrible thing to happen to him.
52 posted on 07/29/2010 8:21:25 PM PDT by phelix
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To: Centurion2000

Slightest provocation is provocation.


53 posted on 07/30/2010 4:40:22 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: phelix
15 feet is nothing, assuming the guys an adult Male and the kitten weighs all of a lb or two if that, fling ones arms out rapidly when in pain or startled because an animal is biting or clawing you and having something fly 15 feet doesn't seem improbable to me.

I don't know the cats weight, but my 10 year old cat weighs all of 8 lbs, so a 4 month old kitten is only a few lbs tops.

This article does not remotely make clear what happened in my opinion.

As I have stated, if the guy picked up the cat and intentionally threw it against the wall with forethought and malice, that's abuse pure and simple, if however the cat scratched, bit or attacked him and he reacted to it and the cat went flying, that's a wholly different story.

I draw no conclusions from the article at all because there is not enough information in the article to reach any sort of reasonable conclusion.

You may be right, or I may be right, but neither of us can draw a justifiable conclusion based soley on the information in this article.

54 posted on 07/30/2010 7:02:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Hopefully this jerk will be booted out of the USMC,,, He should have to pay the owner for his vet bill,,, There is no room in the US Military for this BS...

I was glad to see the statement from the USMC spokesperson:
"If these allegations are true, they are a violation of our core values of 'honor, courage and commitment,' " a spokesman for the Marine Corps. told LA Times."

I'll be interested to see the outcome of this case. Judge David Szumowski scheduled a readiness conference for Sept. 9 and a prelim hearing for Sept. 30.
article in the examiner

According to the LA Times - this is a felony charge.

LA Times Article
55 posted on 07/30/2010 9:17:31 AM PDT by phelix
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To: Chunga

Yawn. Ok, you can be my personal enemy. Any person who would torture an animal doesn’t deserve to be a Marine. And I’m not German, but I’d expect nothing more from you than racist rants. Is race-baiting what you do when no kittens are handy?


56 posted on 07/31/2010 10:28:29 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: Vendome

Well at least we saw his true character when he got attacked by a cat and not when he was able to commit some atrocity in combat. Maybe he is wired a bit too tight for the service.


57 posted on 07/31/2010 10:29:54 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: AAABEST

Take a pill.


58 posted on 07/31/2010 10:41:28 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Panzerfaust
1) I didn't ask for your permission
2) Look up "torture" in the dictionary
3) You have no reason to expect anything of me
4) Look up "racism" in the dictionary

Good luck.

59 posted on 08/01/2010 11:41:18 AM PDT by Chunga (I Have Supported J.D. Since The Day He Announced)
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