Didn’t have to be his grandmother. His mom could have done it herself upon her return.
In any case, we don’t know why he won’t show the BC. We are guessing what the reason might be but it could be for some reason we haven’t considered. What he’s hiding may be something other than what we think it is.
The point is, he’s hiding something.
An understanding of the Constitution to begin with.
And, in fact, since he won’t release his school records either, or his passport records, its clear he’s hiding a lot of somethings. Again, we can only surmise what they might be. You can make fun of people who come up with ideas about what it is he’s hiding, but the fault lies with the fact that he has erased his paper trail. He’s done it for a reason. He leaves it to us to guess what that might be.
The key word is "naturalization".
Not all citizens are eligable to be President.
I’m not a birther but the question can be easily turned around. Using your argument, even if grandma committed fraud it would not matter...so:
Why not show us a copy of the original and be done with it.
It's not a major point but I don't believe that was true at the time. I traveled to Italy in 1965 and returned in 1969 with my parents. I don't know what he age cut-off was but as a young minor I was allowed to travel with my parents on their passport.
If there was no problem with his records, the issue would never have come up and the Democrats wouldn’t have spent a small fortune trying to prevent the courts from demanding he produce true records of his background. Long ago I learned that there is something to the expression ‘Where there’s smoke, there’s fire!’.
There is so much time and effort spent trying to interdict asking the man to prove he is elligible for the presidency, for it to be unfounded. The proof being that just showing one document or allowing access to it in Hawaii. would stop all this. If he could, he would have a long time ago. It isn’t there, plain and simple.
There would not be so many people trying to deflect the question if there waa nothing to it.
I'm an economist who specializes in the financial markets.
In addition, I'm very interested in immigration and trade issues.
Recently I've become somewhat obcessed with debunking birthers. Not sure why, but I find it somewhat addictive.
Me thinks you spend too much time defending Obama and not enough time on financial markets. Maybe if you took a look at what Obama is doing to the financial markets, you get off your Crusade and make a worthwhile post around here.
Unless you are just a TROLL. I mean, I could cut and paste enough evidence to support this off the interenet, the same way you do to defend Obama.
Regrdless of the fact that you wont even touch the fact that Obama hides WAY more info, that I feel is more important than his Long Form BC.
Get a life and put bandwitdth to better use.
“there is simply no way any sane person can believe that Barack Hussein Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. This birther stuff is a dead end and a waste of time and energy.”——from your profile page (curiosity).
I’m curious, too. If it’s a dead end and a waste of time, why do you ask?
Your profile says you like to agitate (my word) “birthers”...
Just wondering...why do you agitate birthers today?
Aren’t there more important topics to deal with?
Naturalized and Natural Born are distinctly different.
Your post indicates that you are attempting to mislead a lot of people here on FR.
There is, and I am sure you are aware of this a difference between NBC and naturalized citizen.
But of course you know that.
The rest I will let the reader figure out, but frankly speaking, it's way too late.
BTW, what should we call the people who questioned McCain's Qualifications under the Constitution.
Nutcases? Sorta-birthers.....
Re-read, assuming you ever read the Constitution's language regarding qualifications for President and place of birth.
After some thought, I see a practical reason for someone to insure he had proof of citizenship namely child custody jurisdiction.
The normal laws of states at that time is that a child born in wedlock would be a citizen of the state where the father is a citizen. An exception would be if the child was born out of wedlock and then it would be the mom’s state.
If there was a concern that custody issues would arise, the mom would be much better off if the child was a US citizen rather than an immigrant (think Cuba and Elian).
So I take back my original granting of your premise and disagree with your reasoning. However, the exercise is still irrelevant for me because I think the weight of the evidence is that he was born in Hawaii.
You don’t know much about human behavior for someone who claims to be an economist. Americans routinely tell fibs to government at all level to avoid bureaucracy and paper work. That also consistent with Occam’s razor in my view.
You are clueless(I mean that in an endearing way)
The issue is Article 2, section 2 of the U.S. Constitution and the only job in the land that has a requirement unique to but one position and that is of being the President of the United States.
The sole requirement is “....Must be a Natural Born Citizen...”
He may be a citizen but he damn sure is not a Natural Born Citizen and that is the crux of it.
One of the things you're missing is that he hasn't released anything. He posted a jpeg image (or maybe two or more different jpeg images) on the internet. One cannot obtain a Passport with a jpeg image. If he really wants to release this so-called short form then he can authorize Hawaii to sell certified copies of it to whoever is interested. But he hasn't.
I don't even think the Birth Certificate is relevant since he has effectively admitted that he is the son of a man who was never a US citizen, and thus is not a natural born citizen under the Constitution.
But the fact that he doesn't want to reveal anything about his past make me curious about what he is hiding. I don't think a man who has a past he wishes to hide should be President of the United States.
ML/NJ
Why? For one simple reason — why would you spend $2 Million or so on legal fees to avoid showing a birth certificate???
Punahou. Hawaiian citizenship too, has its benefits.
See for exmaple Sun Yat Sen, he also went to Punahou.