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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From an email I received, information not verified:

Notes from:
Lindsey Williams on Politics 101 w. Dan Gonzales

Topic: Gulf Oil Disaster

Background:
1970's - Russia started drilling exploratory wells 40,230 ft. deep. 310 successfull super deep wells were put into production making Russia the world's largest oil producer up to today. At this depth they found ABIOTIC OIL.

Abiotic oil is formed at the heart of the Earth. It is NOT a fossil fuel. The Russians drilled these wells on dry land; never in the ocean. Modern American Company aka British Petroleum (BP) wanted to compete with Russia.

This brings us to the current disaster... This was an accident. This was NOT an inside job.

The Oil Rig Goes Down:
BP tried drilling one of these super deep wells on an UNANCHORED drilling platform in the Gulf of Mexico. The United States Government issued BP the permits to begin their drilling operation, knowing full well the scope of the operation.

They started drilling 5000 ft below the surface of the gulf, and then another 25,000 to 30,000 ft into the earth; NOT the reported 3800 ft. They hit a strata of oil at such a pressure it burst every safety valve. They unexpectedly hit pressures beyond any human technological containment.

When a new well is put into place, two things are normally reported, but weren't:

1) Flow rate at well head (unknown or not reported)
2) Well Head Pressure (Normal Pressure: 1500 psi like Alaskan rigs)

The well head in the gulf experienced pressures at 20,000-70,000 psi! No oilman has ever seen this type of pressure at a well head.

The safety valve warped under the immense pressure and failed to contain the well. They did not replace it because they knew that no safety valve would work. Industry figures give a low figure of 4 million+ gallons (77,000 barrels) of oil A DAY leak out of the gulf deep well.

Containment:
Every attempt to stop the flow has failed. The only option they have to seal it is to drill an angled well into the existing well and send a nuclear weapon into the leak, detonate it, thus sealing the well. Prep time to make this happen is 3-4 months. However, if it fails, the nuke would rupture the strata and it will never be stopped. The oilmen are scared to resort to this tactic. It is a gamble.

The main pipe was 20 inches in diameter and 2 inches thick of steel. The materials being pushed up through that pipe contain abrasive materials. These abrasive materials have worn down the pipe to 1 inch thick and has ruptured all the way up the pipe from way under the ground, causing seepage. The plumes of oil that BP and the Government denied existing were caused by the erosion of the main pipe. Plumes of oil are seeping up through the sea bed at distances of 20 or more miles away from the main pipe. BP and the Government both now admit to the plumes' existence.

Hidden Danger:
The reddish crude oil is one thing, but the EPA report that Volatile Organic Compounds are being released into the air. The EPA tested the air in Florida this past week and report that the following toxic gasses are being released into the air from the well:

1)Hydrogen Sulfide (toxic, flammable) safe levels: 5-10 ppb tested: 1200 ppb
2)Benzene (toxic, carcinogen) safe levels:0-4 ppb tested: 3000 ppb
3)Methaline Chloride (toxic, flammable) safe levels:61 ppb tested: 3000-3400 ppb

The prevailing winds blow NW to the SE, carrying these toxic gasses over Florida. One hurricane will spread these invisible toxic gasses up the East Coast.

There is concern that a giant gas bubble is forming which could release an exponential amount of these gasses into the atmosphere. However, nobody is talking about this yet.

There is also concern that a release of pressure from the oil chamber could trigger tectonic activity. USGS have reported that around 25 small earthquakes occur around the well on a daily basis. It is certain that the tectonic plates have been affected. If more pressure is released along the N and S faults, major earthquakes could occur. It is suggested to google midplate and deepplate faultlines and see their activity.

15 posted on 06/22/2010 4:47:51 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Sender

I’m not sure anything in that e-mail is true.

For example, it is clear the pressure wasn’t 20-70,000 pounds. The well was under control until they took the mud out.

I’ve also seen no indication either BP or the government has signed on to the theory of oil plumes from this well showing up elsewhere.

And if the pipe was cracked up the pipe, we’d see oil leaking out from directly beneath the BOP, and they’ve been watching that closely and there’s no indication of oil coming up just outside the riser — the idea that the oil would find cracks 20 miles away, but not (at 20,000 pounds) be able to push through the cracks between the rough hole and the smooth liner is silly.


18 posted on 06/22/2010 7:19:52 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sender
":1)Hydrogen Sulfide (toxic, flammable) safe levels: 5-10 ppb tested: 1200 ppb 2)Benzene (toxic, carcinogen) safe levels:0-4 ppb tested: 3000 ppb 3)Methaline Chloride (toxic, flammable) safe levels:61 ppb tested: 3000-3400 ppb"

This is ALL bullshit. 1.2 ppm of H2S is NOT harmful by any mechanism. Its one characteristic at the level is that it smells bad. Benzene is "slightly" carcinogenic. To develop the very rare cancer involved takes years-long exposure. And "methaline chloride" (correct spelling is "methylene chloride") is not found in oil at all. So if anyone says it is, they are lying in their eye teeth.

21 posted on 06/22/2010 7:30:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Sender; CharlesWayneCT; Wonder Warthog
Someone is pulling your leg in a major way, as both CharlesWayneCT and Wonder Warthog have pointed out.

For example, look at the EPA's air monitoring page:
http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/air.html

The results of sampling for Florida are at http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/data/air_sampling_update.pdf
I think someone might not understand the units in use, too. These are in micrograms per cubic meter.
Funny aside: note that someone tried to copy ug/m3 down, and it made ug/m4, ug/m5, etc. :-) With all the money they spend, it's sad they are entering data by hand and have such a clunky interface.

And check out the USGS earthquakes: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/275_30.php

Clean as a whistle when I look.

26 posted on 06/22/2010 2:48:55 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Sender
Today's Dialogue at the Oil Drum really gets into why 100,000psi is not the psi in the formation...

well's borehole pressure

*************************************EXCERPT*************************************

I have spent the past 30 min looking for a good ref for over burden the source of the well's borehole pressure and haven't located one.

A good rule of thumb is .45 psi per foot of depth for sea water column and .75 psi per foot for rock formation.

The oil/gas zone is permeable, that means there can be no differential pressure between 2 points in the permeable zone except for the differential depth. So yes it's like a tire, except when it's flowing, pore size changes flow rates within the formation but not greater than the initial pressure.

Believe rock he has good explanation.

We need to put this 100,000 psi nonsense to rest. It makes TOD look less than reliable for facts.

Chip -- Dig thru the doc and you'll find a pressure plot. From the log data they estimate the OBG (overburden gradient) to be around 16 - 16.3 ppg. They probably used the wire line density log to come up with a site specific OBG. You'll also notice the frac gradient is in the upper 15’s. I suspect the low FG is why they’re setting csg just above the intersect: cut down the possibility of lost circulation.

ppg.http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100614/BP-Production.Casing.TA.Options-Liner.Preferred.Long.Version.pdf

I think one doesn't need a good reference to come to a conclusion that 100,000 psi is VERY suspect. Here is what I did:

To have a high pressure there must be a great weight of overburden. I convert psi to lb per cubic foot. I know that 5000 ft of column is H2O and that the remaining 13000 ft are something else. I propose a two layer model x feet of shale (because shale is a very common geologic deposit in places where people drill for oil, density 167 lb/cuft) and y feet of gold (because its density is high, 1204 lb/cuft). I then have two equations in two unknowns:

(100000 psi)*(144lb/sqft/psi)-(5000ft*62.4lb/cuft) = 1204 * x + 167 * y
and
13000ft = x + y

I solve for x and y and get:
y (thickness of shale) = 1508 ft
x (thickness of gold) = 11,492 ft

Anything less dense than gold does not have a solution. (And there is nothing on Earth more dense than gold.)

So, to believe that 100,000 psi number, one has to believe that BP drillers are so focused on finding oil that they ignored 11000 ft of strange shiny metal in the mud returns. IMHO, there is something really wrong about this model. Maybe, just maybe, 100000psi is simply wrong.

That's a beauty of an analysis. Sticking gold in the equation is genius as it both gives you a solution and points to its preposterousness.

Did you pick up any of your knowledge building a dam on the Arkansas river in the 1970's.

So the NWO is keeping the gold secret?

Probably plan to flood the market as soon as everyone has converted their savings to gold.

Dastards.

Dang it, boy! Oh, my poor drowned keyboard.

(And there is nothing on Earth more dense than gold.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density#Densities_of_various_materials

Ummm - what about Platinum, Iridium and Osmium?

One might say "Gold is one of the most dense metals/elements known".

Au 19,250 kg/m^3
Os 22,610 kg/m^3 - 17 % more dense.

Otherwise - a good analogy, thanks for QUANTIFYING things with real numbers.

(And there is nothing on Earth more dense than gold.)

'ceptin': 19.32 g/cc Gold Au 79
19.35 g/cc Tungsten W 74
19.84 g/cc Plutonium Pu 94
20.2 g/cc Neptunium Np 93
21.04 g/cc Rhenium Re 75
21.45 g/cc Platinum Pt 78
22.4 g/cc Iridium Ir 77
22.6 g/cc Osmium Os 76

You are concerned that the Gas pressure in the hole could be up to 100,000 psi. So lets look at the reasonableness of that concern.

Using some simple verifiable facts for a basis of our investigations we can say these things are true and unchangeable:

A cubic foot of water weights 62.4 pounds and has a specific gravity of 1

A cubic foot of limestone has a specific gravity of 2.7 times that of water so it weighs 168.48 pounds.

The well is about 13000 feet below the sea floor that is 5000 feet below the surface or about 18k feet total.

Lets take this step by step:

To estimate total psi of the overburden we can say;

If we stack 5000 cubic feet of water at 62.4 pounds per cubic foot, one on top of the other for 5000 vertical feet we get 312,000 pounds per square foot.
There are 12 inches by 12 inches of area at the bottom of the column so there is 144 sq inches upon which 312,000 pounds rests so we divide and get 2167 psi.

If there is 13,000 feet of limestone that weighs 168.47 pounds per cubic foot and stack that up we get 2,190,240 pounds per sq ft or 15210 pounds per sq inch of overburden.

So we end up with a weight on the formation of 15210 psi and 2167 psi or 17377 psi total weight over the production formation.

So if the weight of the formation is 17K psi and the gas pressure is 11k psi then we are very likely safe assuming that the rock is not holding back gas produced in an area of higher pressure. Logically 17 thousand pounds will hold down 11 thousand pounds.

The rub comes when we look at the totals in a very rough way. There is nearly a pound of pressure per foot if the depth is 18k and the pressure is 17k. Therefore if gas is formed at a depth of 100,000 feet and migrates upward we would be in store for 100ksi pressures that would be held back by a 17k weight. I think we all agree that it is not likely that 17k can hold down 100k of pressure over any geologic time frame, even without the drilling of a well. Therefore any high pressure gas would have leaked out years ago and it is likely that the drill log is right in saying the pressure is in the 11k range. But it is not impossible that gas formed about 20 miles down. And it is possible that it did migrate into the production zone. But it would be a miracle if it stayed there for even a short period of time.

Disclaimer: This is based on very rough numbers and violates rules of thumb that indicate the overburden pressure could be a few hundred pounds less.

Thanks to Manofmetal, Rockman and geek.

The above analyses assume that the pressure of the oil in the pocket is entirely due to the weight of the overburden. Is it ever the case that, in addition to overburden, there is pressure due to gas production in the pocket that would pressurize it even more?

The gas production could be due from conversion of liquid oil to gaseous methane, or oxidation to CO2, or even to chemical processes unrelated to the oil.

Jim -- That actually is one of the sources of “abnormal” pressure. Normal (or hydrostatic) pressure in the GOM is essentially the pressure from a salt water column at that depth. But “geopressure” develops from of a number of causes. NG generation as one source. Another is actually simpler: is the sediments are compressed during burial and if there are no conduits for the water to be “squeezed” out of the rock the pressure will increase above hydrostatic. This typically occurs when sandstone reservoirs are entirely encased in impermeable shales. That appears to the at least one source of the geopressure in the BP reservoir.

There's surely some sort of a limit on how much it can be overpressured beyond what gravity would suggest - after all the shear and tensile strengths of rock are not infinite. So something would fail somehow, and the oil/gas would find its way to the surface...

How strong is 13,000 vertical feet of rock?

If I understand correctly, the fracture pressure in the Halliburton document's Table 1.11 cited above helps to answer your question. If the pressures are greater than the fracture pressure, the rock fractures and the pressure is released. The estimated fracture pressures are all less than 15000 psi. That is why the 100,000 psi numbers are unbelievable. Those sort of pressures would have fractured the formation.

On a marginally related topic-- mostly out of curiousity -- has anyone run the numbers on how much the pressure should have dropped due to 30+ days of flow? I tried it out, and get a roughly 1000 psi drop, which seems rather high so I might have had an error. I assumed a high permeability-- 1 darcy, a 60 foot reservoir thickness, and 30000 barrels/day outflow.


33 posted on 07/03/2010 5:08:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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