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Bicyclists want to derail Black Hawk's ban
The Denver Post ^ | 6/15/10 | Jason Blevins

Posted on 06/15/2010 6:49:48 AM PDT by MissTed

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To: MissTed
Hard to see how this ban would survive a court challenge.
61 posted on 06/15/2010 7:21:05 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Nervous Tick
Forcing bikes onto sidewalks when they are designed to ride on the road is an interesting POV for a libertarian.

Who said anything about force? I wish they could use the sidewalks...in my area they are forced to not use them.

I live in a car and bike busy town, there are roads that are way too narrow and pot hole riddled...cars swerving to miss bikes on the roadways when perfect safe sidewalks are left empty. I won't ride a bike near town because it's too dangerous - would be great to utilize the sidewalk....but alas, it's against the law....

62 posted on 06/15/2010 7:22:08 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Completely wrong. The bicycle is the single most energy efficient method of transportation to date. Several times more efficient than walking even. Compared to other vehicles, there really is no comparison. A gallon of gasoline has about 31,000 calories. In my car, that gets me about 20 miles, for 1550 calories per mile. A bicycle on the other hand consumes about 34 calories per mile.


63 posted on 06/15/2010 7:22:09 AM PDT by Melas
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To: libertarian27

>> Who said anything about force? I wish they could use the sidewalks...in my area they are forced to not use them.

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining.


64 posted on 06/15/2010 7:29:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: mountainlion
The governor..has not made bicycles pay their share

There is a bully in the school yard beating up everyone for their lunch money. Everyone except for one kid.

Some(ie:conservatives) would consider the bully at fault. Others(ie:progressives) would blame that one kid for not paying his share.

65 posted on 06/15/2010 7:33:00 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: VRWCmember
Are you serious?

Think about it & get back to me.
(hint: its a local bicycle ordinance)

66 posted on 06/15/2010 7:37:37 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: a fool in paradise

True, but if you’re used to cycling everything more than 200 feet SEEMS like a long walk ;-)


67 posted on 06/15/2010 7:37:49 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: laotzu
Think about it & get back to me. (hint: its a local bicycle ordinance)

OK, but I think it will take a LOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGG time of thinking to get to a point that a local bicycle ordinance is as bad as an attempt to exterminate an entire race. Are hallucinagenic drugs an integral part of that thinking process to help me get there?

68 posted on 06/15/2010 7:41:36 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: dmz
I must have missed the paragraph about violaters being sent to the ovens

Hitler rode a bike.


69 posted on 06/15/2010 7:42:25 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: KarlInOhio
If so, then you'll need a few of these < /s>< /s>

If you have to explain sarcasm......

I will not cater to the simple.

70 posted on 06/15/2010 7:44:02 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Melas
Much faster in the Tour. Sprints can top 40mph and downhill sections can approach 70.

Interesting, and not only irrelevant, but misleading as well. We're discussing bicyclists as they are on the roads in the USA. Bicyclists seem to don an "in you face - let's see how many motorists we can piss off" attitude when they put on their silly spandex outfits.

71 posted on 06/15/2010 7:44:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Hard to see how this ban would survive a court challenge.
Good question as to whether there is a basis for a challenge. I wonder if State or Fed money was used to build the roads they are banned from. Yet local jurisdictions have to take overall safety, conditions, etc into effect when making laws. Apparently no side walks either so I wonder where the bicyclist walk their bikes when doing so?

The banned routes:

Sounds like the town of Black Hawk maybe quite a site in it's own right. Here's a tidbit about the mayor of this town of 105 population, if accurate. It looks like the bicyclist are trying to get to Hwy. 119 to make their scenic ride.

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The city of Blackhawk website is down as of this writing, but the city’s (apparently official) Facebook page brags about the “many transportation options” in Black Hawk.

Mayor David Spellman, incidentally, seems like a real character. In 2006, he was convicted of felony assault after he pistol whipped his wife — beating her several times in the head with a .38 and then shooting three times in a drunken rage — during a domestic dispute, though the felony assault conviction was dropped after Spellman completed the terms of his sentencing and probation. In 2008, the Colorado Bureau of Investigations determined that Spellman personally received more than $1 million in state historical funds that were meant to preserve and restore the historical character of Black Hawk (the town council approved the purchase of land from Spellman using the state funds); the former town manager was forced to resign. In 2009, Spellman purchased the local newspaper that was critical of him and fired the editor. Mayor Spellman consistently has topped the “Most Corrupt Public Officials list in Colorado. He and the town he represent seem like real gold mines.

72 posted on 06/15/2010 7:44:47 AM PDT by deport
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To: Melas

Alright, now I wonder where I got the info I had before. I’m not usually wrong, and neither are you, so I had to go check my info, and now can’t back up my side of the argument. Damnit, i hate that. :)


73 posted on 06/15/2010 7:44:53 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Paladin2
The tax automobile owners pay is a "use" tax, not a road damage tax...the fact that the money is used to repair the road makes it that much smoother for the whining bicyclists out there.

If the Automobile owners didn't pay that tax, you guys would be getting a lot of briars in your spandex panties riding on garden paths and wooded trails.

People don't normally do a lot of damage to say, motel rooms, but they have to PAY to STAY THERE.

If you are so determined that you have "equal right" to the road, then why shouldn't you share "equal expense".

Bicyclist are mostly arrogant, selfish, and elitist - probably mostly liberals too.

In this life, you have to pay to play...and you ain't paying.
74 posted on 06/15/2010 7:45:49 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: from occupied ga
Bicyclists seem to don an "in you face - let's see how many motorists we can piss off" attitude when they put on their silly spandex outfits.

BIGTIME! You should see how obstructive they get on the winding New England coastline roads I take to work, etc. And no, they aren't even running close to 25 MPH.

I wish the spandex-cladd sissies had the same respect for motorists they demand from motorists. Jerks.

75 posted on 06/15/2010 7:47:26 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: FrankR
Call it whatever you want, cars overpay road taxes and trucks underpay.

It's funny that you actually know NOTHING about what vehicles I own and use and how much taxes I pay. As I indicated before, automatic transmissions should be banned along with those who buy and use them.

76 posted on 06/15/2010 7:49:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: VRWCmember
it will take a LOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGG time of thinking to get to a point that a local bicycle ordinance is as bad as an attempt to exterminate an entire race

You really weren't wondering if I was serious.

77 posted on 06/15/2010 7:49:52 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Nervous Tick
Forcing bikes onto sidewalks when they are designed to ride on the road is an interesting POV for a libertarian.

The libertarian philsophy was summed up by Will Rogers as "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose." Their "right" to indulge in their hobby ends when their activities impinge on the rights of others to use the roads in the manner for which they were designed.

I can get a vehicle that is designed to go 250MPH (if I want to spend a ridiculous amount of money). That it was designed to go that fast doesn't give me the right to run it that fast disregarding other users of a common resource - the road.

78 posted on 06/15/2010 7:51:11 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: SC DOC

All I can say about their mayor and consequently the town is- no place I would want to live. Years ago before all the interstate we learned to avoid Rifle Colorado because it was a speed trap.


79 posted on 06/15/2010 7:55:48 AM PDT by handmade
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To: Travis T. OJustice
New England coastline roads I take to work, etc.

When the heat goes in the 90s as it has for the last few days here, they don't seem to be as active, and I haven't seen one in a week. (Another reason not to live in New England.:-)

80 posted on 06/15/2010 7:56:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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