[djf]

repost of what I posted on the other thread...

I just read it for the first time, and it pretty much makes a lot of sense.
I can see his point that it’s not “if”, but “when”, and “how long” would it take. An hour seems to me a bit fast, a day or two might to me seem more likely, but no matter what, it comes down to the same thing:

You would have to survive with what you have. You would no longer be able to buy ANYTHING AT ALL.

I also TOTALLY agree that the whole GOOD philosophy is basically suicidal. The roads will become impassable before the day is over. Way better to hunker down, talk with your neighbors (hopefully, you have discussed these things with them in the past), set up guard rotations, and shut out the lights!

a sign you might see after a couple of days...

Looters will be SHOT!!!

after a few more days...

Looters will be SHOT!! EATEN!!!

I'm also starting to think more and more that cash would be good to have... maybe for the first week or so. After that, something as simple as a loaf of bread would cost you all the money you have. Commodities - food, gasoline, cigarettes, simple things like that would become priceless.

[Windflier]

Were you the one who posted the first thread from that website?

To a couple of the points you brought up:

The author put in an addendum at the bottom of that article that addressed people’s disagreement with his “One-Hour” timetable. He reiterates that it’s just an opinion, and that the total breakdown could take anywhere from an hour, up to a month to fully play out.

Personally, I agree with his initial assessment. Our world is so inextricably interconnected (especially the financial system), that if all of the major financial institutions shut down at once, it would cause instant panic, mayhem, and chaos all across the developed world. I see that as totally plausible.

As far as cash is concerned, I doubt that it would be worth much of anything, once everything crashed. At least not at first. The worst of the death and destruction would have to pass before the survivors were willing to begin doing any sort of primitive commerce with each other again. And at that point, I’ll bet that paper money wouldn’t be a recognized exchange medium. I’m pretty sure it would be precious metals. And even that wouldn’t happen until after things had stabilized quite a bit. Initially, barter would be the standard order of business.

Don’t know that I’d rely too much on the neighbors, either, unless they were as prepared as you are, and wouldn’t resort to trying to kill you to get your food.

Like the author says, being situated in a rural, or even semi-rural area will be the best possible place to survive such a disaster. If you’re inside a big city when the SHTF, you’re almost certainly going to be toast, unless you’re heavily armed, and have some way of making your way out without getting killed.

[Noumenon]

I like this part:

"You don't need to move to the unexplored wilderness in Alaska. You don't need to move into the heart of the Arizona desert. You just need to relocate to an area that is more lightly populated than a big city. The area you select should meet the following minimum criteria:"

1.It is not on a major freeway or interstate. CHECK.
2.It is at least several hundred feet above sea level.CHECK
3.It is surrounded by farm land, dairy cows, and other typical farm livestock such as horses, pigs, sheep, goats, and chickens.CHECK
4.It has a history of good average rainfall (not too much rain or too little rain).CHECK
5.It has a reasonable supply of trees and forest timber land.CHECK
6.It has a few nearby manufacturing facilities of any size.CHECK
7.Its residents still have the right to own firearms to protect themselves.CHECK Do we ever!
8.It has short mild winters.NOPE! Keeps the riffraff and Californians out. But I repeat myself...

We definitely did the right thing 11 years ago when we moved to northern Idaho. Work's hard to come by, but not so much if you're willing to work for less - or do something else entirely. Fortunately, we both know how how to garden, fix things, brew beer, reload ammo. Two of our horses are natural drafters. And I can teach any number of subjects from from my extensive hard copy library.

[Ellendra]

An hour seems to me a bit fast, a day or two might to me seem more likely, but no matter what, it comes down to the same thing:

I'd guess the timing would depend on the area. Inner-city Chicago might take 10 minutes, "Insert Store Owner's Name"'s Market in rural hickville might last 2-3 days. Longer if they have a regular farmer's market already and if it's far enough off the main drag.

The area where my land is would probably do quite well, I just need to work more on getting a house built there. Or at least a root cellar and latrine. Those are on my list for this summer.

[MHGinTN]

The process of collapse will take a bit longer to materialize into anarchy than the writer states. It will however be really bad in the large cities, then 'matriculate' to the suburbs and eventually, if not halted by massive intervention, ooze to the countrysides and rural enclaves. The 'Jericho' state of survival is a writer's fantasy. The highways will become looter's alley.

I believe the world economic crisis is an artificially devised way for the most powerful banking powers to seize world control. As such they will have a banking system ready for implimentation when the crisis becomes bad enough to have all major governments begging for a unification to solve the mayhem and anarchy. ... If one reads Daniel, and Revelations, the data is forecaste to ponder. It is coming sooner rather than later. We are in the end times.