Mosin Nagant Rifle Question

My Gun Case | June 04, 2010 | Humblegunner

[humblegunner]

I have a question for our resident Free Republic firearms experts.

Several years ago I purchased a Mosin Nagant M-44 Carbine at
a gun show. (Винтовка Мосина 7.62 x 54R) I like it.

I have never fired it. Why? I don't trust the ammunition. I have several
boxes (unmarked) of what the vendor at the gun show CLAIMED was
7.62 x 54R. Trouble is, the base of the casings are NOT stamped with
the caliber. What they have stamped there is 21 and 87. My camera is
not good enough to pick this up well, but you get the idea:

The rounds will chamber with no problem. But the lack of a stamped
caliber still bothered me. I stuck one of the rounds into the end of the
barrel to see what kind of fit there was. Turns out the projectile will
not fit more than a little past halfway into the barrel. I was not enthused by this.

By way of comparison, I tried the same trick with a Remington 30.06 and
the projectile fits almost all the way into the barrel. Big difference.

What I'd like to know is if anyone has a Mosin Nagant laying around that
they have safely fired with this type of ammo, let me know.
Maybe stick a round into the end of the barrel and see if that fit is normal for the rifle.

In a couple for weeks I'm going to the TexasCowboy 5th Annual Memorial Shoot
and I'd like to take the old Mosin. So far it's just been a neat addition to
the gun case but I'd rather put it into active service.. without blowing anybody up.

(I'm looking at Eaker here)

[C19fan]

I read that. Zhukov and Konev slaughtering their men to get to Berlin first.

[humblegunner]

I love my Remington 30.06.
I can blow away moving armadillos at 300 yards at dusk.
While coasting to a stop on the 4-wheeler.

True story.

[humblegunner]

The ammo is probably corrosive so remember to swab out the barrel with very hot, soapy water before final cleaning.

Thanks, will do.

[lentulusgracchus]

Probably counter bored at the muzzle.

Why would anyone do that? Damage to the crown of the muzzle? Cracks? Sounds like a "fix" not a "feature".

[WoofDog123]

typo from typing while working...

[lentulusgracchus]

True story.

After test-firing and sighting-in, please report with both rifles to Nogales, Arizona.

[mylife]

Says it has a 2 in counterbore http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?40758-Austro-Finn-Sestroretsk-M91

[sjmjax]

As others have said, that is the correct ammo.

Hungarian, one of my favorite flavors for my MN's. But,it will smell funny after shooting. Don't know what's different with East European military powders that causes the distintive odor.

You might be surprised at the recoil the light carbines in this caliber!

You might also note that the point of impact changes quite a bit with the bayonet extended or folded. Most have been factory sighted to shoot POA with bayonet extended.

Have fun! I enjoy shooting mine.

[humblegunner]

Have fun! I enjoy shooting mine.

Thanks, I plan to.

You might be surprised at the recoil the light carbines in this caliber!

I like a rifle that "talks back" a bit. Let's me know I'm doing something.

[lentulusgracchus]

Guys, check this thread.

These two Mexicans are going to get, like 45 days for getting caught with a truckload like this!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2527437/posts?page=1

[calex59]

Probably counter bored. If it is accurate don’t worry about it. Also, you can always slug the bore and see if it is the correct bore diameter and also mic the ammo.

[mylife]

I like a rifle that "talks back" a bit.

Then you NEED a Yugo M48. It has a superior bolt and the skull crusher on the butt will talk to you LoL

[mylife]

Its accurate. I just had no idea it was counter bored.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Looks like the right ammo to me.
You may encounter a hang fire from time to time with very old ammo. If this happens, keep the barrel pointed away...

[humblegunner]

Two Mexican nationals caught in Texas with 147 assault rifles, 10,000 rounds of ammunition, high-capacity magazines and bayonets have started serving short federal sentences

Lord.

I'd probably get life just for the stuff laying around the kitchen.

[Hacklehead]

I suggest buying some ammo you know is correct and comparing the case dimensions with what you already have. Its easy to suggest the tire/string method IF ITS NOT YOUR GUN.

[Fido969]

Its easy to suggest the tire/string method IF ITS NOT YOUR GUN.

I've done that with my guns.

[ebshumidors]

I have an M38. Lotsa fun!

[mylife]

It does have the SA on the receiver.
Does that make it a Finn capture from the winter war?

[wagglebee]

I threw out the stuff that came with mine and bought some at a gun range that were stamped (plus I wasn’t comfortable with shooting ammo that had probably been sitting in a warehouse in Russia for fifty years.

They are a lot of fun to shoot. The first few rounds will make you wince a little, but after about twenty your shoulder will be so numb you won’t feel a thing.