Posted on 06/03/2010 5:49:37 AM PDT by wtc911
Ron Paul just threw Israel under the bus on Imus.
And we are surprised because . . . ?
“No, he’s an anti-statist. He doesn’t like any government’s aggression against civilians. That’s his consistent point of view.”
Though of course Paul also seems to consistently make points showing that he does not believe in a government that secures the liberties of its people. The Pervert Paul likes defending terrorists very consistently as well.
Which government is that? Surely, you can't possibly mean the US federal government.
I personally don’t think it’s libertarianism but I have always maintained that Paul was an anti-semite.
Obviously for the pervert Paul it would extend to any government at all.
The man is an anti-Semite.
No, he's an anti-statist. He doesn't like any government's aggression against civilians. That's his consistent point of view.
You realize of course that that makes no sense. What has "statism" got to do with the Arab/Israel conflict? Yet I notice that there is a whole swath of "Constitutionalist anti-statists" of the John Birch/Liberty Lobby persuasion who act as if the mere existence of Israel causes "big government" at home. What has one to do with the other?
If Paul is a non-interventionist, why is he sticking his nose into what is going on over there? Yet he seems to do that an awful lot, and always against Israel. What about Arab/islamic "statism?" What about Arab/islamic governments' aggression against civilians? No, it's always Israel, Israel, Israel. They are obsessed by Israel. They are more obsessed by Israel than the Israelis.
American "palaeolibertarians" are nothing more than the local, American version of the Nazis. And before you come back with "that's ridiculous! The Nazis advocated big government" (which is true), allow me to explain.
The European, "blood-and-soil" type right is very relativistic. It adapts to whatever ideology supposedly defines its nation. In Germany, it was socialism (therefore "national socialism"). In France it was communism (therefore "national communism"--and yes, that's what it called itself in France). In Russia it is "national bolshevism." In America, it's Jeffersonian "constitutionalism."
Ultimately the "palaeo," anti-Semitic right is about henotheism and the rejection of universals. Jeffersonian "strict constructionist" anti-statism is the American "truth." Therefore the American counterpart of the Nazis latch onto it.
I always wonder why opposition to Israel seems such a vital component of Confederate ideology.
Once again the illogical Confederate/Arab axis rears its head.
You forgot to mention George Washington and Alexander Hamilton.
Hey Clueless Wonder, did you read the comments I made about letting Israel just do what it had to?
So why are you defending Ron Paul's sticking his nose into it?
Not to mention that what Paul advocates is that government should not secure the liberties of its citizens. Paul consistently rants about neo-con (Jewish) conspiracies whenever dictatorships or terrorists are opposed in order to secure our liberties. Yet he also consistently defends the rights and positions of terrorists and dictatorships.
Wouldn’t surprise me if RP believed the conspiratorial lunacy that the Israelis were behind 9/11.
Ron Paul’s comments on a radio show no one listens to have zero official meaning or force.
Obama using this flotilla incident to blackmail them is intervention, as that has real repercussions in real Israeli actions.
If we didn’t treat Israel like a welfare case with all the foreign aid, we’d have less leverage over them. But you know there will never be an American president hostile to Israel, right, dude?
If your neighbor down the street whines about your parties, who cares?
If you landlord doesn’t like your parties, you have a problem.
Interesting, the American Nazi Party's website "who we are" section sounds like they're commies, what with the talk of welfare, environmentalism, workers and social justice:
http://americannaziparty.com/about/index.php
So, are you talking about the American Nazi Party Nazis or some other group of non-Nazi nazis?
These people are refusing to dock legally in either Egypt or Israel to have their cargo inspected. Instead they are declaring they are going to run through the borders of Israel to deliver hell-knows-what.
The whole reason you have the embargo is when Israel turned over Gaza, the place was immediately used to launch missiles at Israel.
Israel figures the way you stop that is to look at everything going to the peace loving Muslims of Palestine.
I have zero problems with what Israel has done.
There is no immorality on Israel's part here.
I hope Ron Paul has happy times with Bruno.
Bottom line: Ron Paul is a John Birch "palaeocon." This means he supports "Constitutional limited government" for the US because that is the US "heritage." He would support a king in Spain or an Emperor in Austria. Palaeoconservatism is all about defending the local way of life from universals--ultimately about defending the local idol from the One True Jewish G-d.
The JBS and its acolytes have always been very inconsistent about which "centralizing dictatorships" they oppose. They were against Communism (except for Arab/islamic Communists who were the "good guys") and preached Thomas Jefferson's strict constructionism and G-d given rights. But they always supported centralizing, statist dictators like Franco, Salazar, Chiang Kai-shek, Syngman Rhee, George Papadopolous, Alfredo Stroessner, etc. You see, these particular centralizing dictators were defending "western civilization" (civilizationism is anothe form of henotheism) and therefore got a pass. But when Israel does they whip out Thomas Jefferson like a billy stick and start clubbing. Jews, you see, are not part of "western civilization."
PS: Please note that I do not consider the above-listed dictators as being as bad as Communist dictators would have been. On the contrary they were much preferable. I merely point out Birch/palaeo hypocrisy in being very choosy about when they choose to denounce "statism."
They mean that he is extremely hostile to Israel--a hostility he doesn't have for statist Arab/moslem dictatorships.
Obama using this flotilla incident to blackmail them is intervention, as that has real repercussions in real Israeli actions.
For what it's worth, I'd rather we just let Israel handle these problems in its own way (though unfortunately they're as eaten up with self-hating western leftists as we are).
If we didn’t treat Israel like a welfare case with all the foreign aid, we’d have less leverage over them.
Very true, and I am opposed to all foreign aid.
But you know there will never be an American president hostile to Israel, right, dude?
We've got one now. And Ron Paul seems to agree with him.
If your neighbor down the street whines about your parties, who cares?
If you landlord doesn’t like your parties, you have a problem.
All very true. But as I understand it, Paul didn't say "let's get out of the Middle East." He condemned Israel for defending itself--and had nothing to say whatsoever about the other side.
http://americannaziparty.com/about/index.php
So, are you talking about the American Nazi Party Nazis or some other group of non-Nazi nazis?
As a former John Bircher myself, I am well aware that Nazi ideology and "palaeocon" ideology seem diametrically opposed to one another. But that doesn't change the fact that the two "diametrically opposed" ideologies often cooperate and even have interlocking connections at times (such as John Schmitz' support for Willis Carto).
The mystery is resolved by realizing that the heart of "palaeoconservatism" is henotheism--a form of idolatry that worships the local idol instead of the Universal True G-d. Palaeoconservatives are very opposed to universals, seeing them as subversive and leveling.
I think you got it backwards, “the Cofederate Idealogy” would relate to Israel.
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