Posted on 06/02/2010 1:42:42 PM PDT by RGVTx
This is a consolidation of the current threads on FR. It is intended to make discussion and updates easier.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526123/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2526200/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526225/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526245/posts
At Websleuths I'm sure I read that she didn't do drugs, according to her friends; however, there are dozens of ways that a psychopath can convince someone of coming anywhere.
Best hypothesis I've seen thus far, and it is ONLY A THEORY, is that he owed her money and told her it was in his room at the hostel.
COMMENT made at Riehl World View, in response to: "Van der Sloot's Mother 'Shocked' At New Charges"
".... Good point, Anon, about the failure to cash in big.
Sometimes I wonder how much of this relates to a gambling problem. I really wish the Aruban officials had found and interviewed the man in the casino video, the one next to Joran who spoke to Natalee when she was with her friends and Joran was still playing.
For all we know that very brief conversation was a signal from a trafficker to Joran that, "This is the one I want."
One could easily imagine, with enough gambling losses, that a potential human trafficking deal would not be that difficult to instigate... and it would look pretty appealing to someone with low scruples such as Joran. A young boy, weak-minded and with a huge debt to pay may very well have been lured into such a deal to pay gambling debt.
The trafficking of Thai women could also have led back to high-stakes money to fulfill his gambling needs. With any luck, he will be weakened enough without Paulus around that the truth may escape him yet. I sure hope so, for the sake of Natalee's family."
"Want a sexual slave?
That is the question hundreds of thousands answer each year, as they purchase a child or young person from traffickers in a multibillion-dollar international business known as the global sex trade.
When in many countries a young woman can be kidnapped for $500 and yield $250,000 annually from sexual servitude, it doesn't take much economic ingenuity to understand why corrupt capitalists crave some buy-in to this repulsive form of commerce.
These victims of sexual slavery come from some of the most well-known sexually trafficked areas in the world, including Cambodia, Thailand, Latin America, Eastern Europe (countries like Romania, Lithuania, Albania, Moldova and Ukraine), Russia and even Africa.
The U.S government reports, "Of the estimated 600,000 to 800,000 people trafficked across international borders annually, 80 percent of victims are female and up to 50 percent are minors. Hundreds of thousands of these women and children are used in prostitution each year."
And to whom are these sexual servants being sold? Those in nearly every country on the planet, including Germany, the Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Greece, Great Britain, Canada and even America! Sexual slavery in the U.S.?
Not many would consider the sex trade a problem in the United States, but the increase of sexual enslavement can be found in every level of society. Despite governmental attempts to abolish it, 20,000 to 40,000 sexual slaves are still annually brought into America.
ABC News reported that, "The FBI estimates that well over 100,000 children and young women are trafficked in America today. They range in age from 9 to 19, with the average age being 11. "
All of this in a country that has as its 13th Amendment to the Constitution, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude … shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
How does one become a sexual slave?
Traffickers begin by enticing women with jobs (like housekeeping, being a nanny, waitressing, etc.), but end up turning these employment opportunities into forced prostitution. Other victims are literally abducted from their homes or off the streets and imported to countries under the force of heavy-handed intermediary agents.
Countless stories and personal testimonies are retold even online of how young women are tricked and abused into submission by traffickers. Though relatively few manage to escape, some fortunately do.
Deborah Finding, a leader of the POPPY Project, a government-financed organization in Great Britain that provides up to four weeks' support to trafficked women, explained to PBS the unique participation of some families in the sexual slave business:
What is quite common and what I find most shocking is how often the women's families are involved, or at least complicit in the trafficking. I think we had a woman who was sold by her alcoholic father. We had a woman who was brought into trafficking, into prostitution by her older sister. We have heard of families where they haven't believed the [woman's] story, or the traffickers go back to the woman's family and tell them that their daughter is a prostitute, and they don't want anything to do with her. America's not the only one with leaky borders.
How do traffickers and their victims make it across international borders? Look at our own country! If drug lords and illegal aliens stream across, how difficult can it be for sexual traffickers? There are endless avenues to get into most countries, from using authentic travel papers to being smuggled in on trains, planes, automobiles and boats.
After two years of investigation and interviewing traffickers and their victims, journalist Victor Malarek documented his findings in his book, "The Natashas: Inside the New Global Sex Trade."
Malarek also commented to PBS:
The smuggling [routes] around the world were established many decades ago for weapons and drugs. It's far easier to smuggle human beings. The Bohemian borders around the European Union are very easy to cross. You cross the Danube in narrow areas or on boats, you go over the mountains and get yourself into Kosovo and Bosnia into Albania, and you [go] across the Adriatic, and ... you get yourself into Italy. ... Once they're in the European Union, it's just a free-for-all. You go to a country like ... Israel. It's hugely secure. How in heaven's [name] do 5,000 women from Moldova, Romania and Ukraine get into Israel? ... Some of them [go] overland through the Sinai Desert after landing in Cairo, almost like a biblical trek for them, scary biblical trek.
Then there are all kinds of ways that you can get into North America: under student visas, under temporary work orders, under tourism visas. You can get into Canada by taking a boat. A lot of these freighters come over, and in the back of them are girls and there are women, so when they park their little boats ... in Vancouver or in Halifax or Montreal late at night, they're taken off, and they're here.
....
How does sexual slavery continue?
The easy answer is supply and demand. The not-so-easy answer is found in that, while most countries have laws prohibiting human trafficking, very few enforce them. In answering why, Malarek succinctly says, "Because of corruption, complicity and complacency in this issue."
Because trafficked women are often seen as nothing more than prostitutes, they are sometimes arrested and returned back on the streets as quick as they're booked. At most, they're sent to immigration authorities, who deport them back to their countries, where the sexual trade cycle often starts all over again......"
Argentine mom seeks daughter forced into prostitution ----- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085154/posts
CNN ^ | 9/18/2008 | Brian Byrnes
Posted on 09/18/2008 9:47:46 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
When Susana Trimarco's daughter Marita Veron was 23, she vanished from their hometown in Argentina, a suspected victim of a human trafficking and prostitution ring with links throughout Latin America and Europe.
Marita Veron, who is missing, hugs her daughter Micaela. Police believe Marita was forced into sexual slavery. 1 of 3 Trimarco, 54, has spent the last 6 ½ years searching for her daughter, often putting herself at risk. While chasing down leads on Marita's whereabouts, she's entered into dark and dangerous brothels and confronted pimps and politicians who, she says, are complicit in her daughter's disappearance.
She has won accolades throughout Latin America, Europe and the United States for her work. But Marita is nowhere to be found.
"Marita is a wonderful and caring girl. My life will be completely absorbed with this fight until she is back and safe," Trimarco says.
On April 3, 2002, Veron left her house in the northern Argentine province of Tucuman early for a doctor's appointment. She was wearing a turquoise shirt, blue jeans and old white sneakers.
As she left the house, she told her mother, "Don't worry, I'll be back soon." Those were the last words the two exchanged."
.....The DJ is the connection to the mafia -- the kids went to him to get rid of her -- He probably made money selling her. I will bet the boat the DJ works on is a Cuntrera nightclub. Natalee's not on Aruba - She was probably taken to Venezuela - probably sold into sexual slavery there. Or sold to the saudis. She is exactly the kind the Saudis like... blonde, tall, slim and beautiful. If they ever find her she won't be herself.
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.....If she was taken to Costa Rica she could be found because the CIA has assets there and in most other South American countries. The only country where the CIA assets have fled or been killed is Venezuela. If Natalee was sold into one of the Venezuelan sex houses, then no one can find her... except the same people who sold her... the Aruban mafia.
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If the heat gets hot enough on Aruba. If the Mafia connection starts popping up in the MSM, that will be bad for business. The US is powerful enough to broker a deal to get Natalee back. What does the Aruban mafia want that President Bush can give them? Since no one will ever know that any kind of deal has ever taken place, it doesn't matter what they want. The hero will be some Aruban detective that traces Natalee to the nightclub ship and to "sex slave traders". No one will ever know the Mafia participation in her sale AND in her recovery.......
Thanks Hennie. I posted in another thread that we may never know what happened to Natalee. Some have suggested that he could offer the “truth” in exchange for leniency in the Peruvian murder, but I don’t know that it would do any good. I doubt Peru really cares about a possible murder in Aruba five years ago. And who knows really whether anything he would say now is the truth? I think he’s offered about a dozen scenarios, none of which seems to have been proven.
By the way, I went out to dinner with a friend yesterday and it took so long that I missed Greta’s program. I hope it was good. I tried to find a repeat later, but all I got was Geraldo (ugh!) and a repeat of Greta’s story on the Manson murders.
Thanks for the ping Sod.(((((Hugs)))))
Thanks for the ping.
I'd entirely forgotten the 100s of threads about the billionaire hotel owner in Aruba being very highly connected to Chicago "entities."
.....But if someone offers to send bounty hunters to a foreign land to search for your missing daughter in the hopes she is alive, would you turn down the opportunity? I don't think any of us would refuse the offer -- even if the offer was based on speculation.
That speculation centers on the dark underside of Aruba. I heard rumors about much of it while in Aruba myself. Supposedly, Natalee innocently partied in a few clubs that are now known to have ties to the Chicago mob.
And there are also rumors about underage prostitutes, sex rings and snuff films. I have no idea how much of that will play into Dr. Phil's upcoming show. We'll just have to wait to go down that road and pray that it sheds some light on Natalee's disappearance.....
Ricardo Flores is NOT just "any" parent; besides being loved in Peru as a race car driver, he ran for Vice President twice and his campaign was exceptionally "PRO-police."I believe that the Peruvian authorities are VERY concerned about Joran's activities in Aruba AND in Thailand, where I read that investigators are currently examined photographs and video footage of JVDS in relation to human trafficking.
I am hoping for the VERY best outcome. And it is obvious to me that not only Stephany's family, but MANY Peruvians are absolutely appalled by what happenned to the Holloway family in Aruba --- and because of this, I believe they will be absolutely meticulous with the interrogations and with ALL the investigations & medical/forensics examinations.
That's my current take on Peru -- who, also, I might add has considerably thawed the longterm icey relations with its neighbor, Chile -- too much stuff is happenning, and I seriously belief that Peru understands that it is in the INTERNATIONAL SPOTLIGHT, even without Greta & Nancy taking trips down to Lima.
Not yet, anyway.
I watched the start of Greta. All I saw was repeats of her interviews with Joran. I turned it off. Didn’t seem worth watching.
Thanks. Then I guess I didn’t miss anything.
I tend to agree with you, hennie pennie.
Joran’s jig is up and much more will be exposed.
I pray Joran finally tells the truth about where to find Natalee.
Sounds like there is enough outrage in Peru that JVDS won’t be able to buy his way out of this. Peru, unlike Aruba, has had to deal with murderous militants and so on; the country seems to know how to investigate and prosecute a crime and it’s not going to take “suggestions” from any bleeding hearts. I hope I’m right.
I have a question regarding Peruvian criminal law for anyone who might know: Does Peru consider a suspect guilty until proven innocent? From what I understand, the U.S. is one of the few countries (if not the only one) that presumes innocence until proven guilty. If JVDS is presumed guilty, I’d say he has a tough legal battle ahead to prove innocence. About all his lawyer might be able to do is save him from a life sentence.
I hope so too, but doubt anything he might say would be the truth.
If they were to tell Joran that he would get a deal for a lighter sentence if he talked and told the truth about Natalee, perhaps he would talk. If what he said turned out to be true, I would then tell him that since he was deeply involved in Natalee's death, the deal is off and his sentence will be life in prison.
"Wasn't it [...the poster named...] 'Florida' that thought Shango was a friend of the Chicago mafia?
He was outting Posner's new "Aruba Mafia"
***On April 3, 2002, Veron left her house in the northern Argentine province of Tucuman early for a doctor’s appointment.***
I would be inclined to check out that doctor!!!!!
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