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Y.C. woman killed by police pointed gun at officers (after Census worker visit)
Appeal Democrat ^ | May 22, 2010 | Rob Young

Posted on 05/22/2010 4:21:16 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot

A 67-year-old Yuba City woman was shot and killed by officers when she pointed a shotgun at them and refused to put it down, Yuba City police said Friday.

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A U.S. Census worker "had been confronted by residents who pointed a firearm at the worker and said they would not answer any questions and closed the door," said police spokeswoman Shawna Pavey.

When two male officers arrived, 51-year-old Lionel Craig Patterson answered the door, armed with a handgun, police said. "As officers were dealing with the male, a female approached the door with a shotgun and ignored officers' orders to release the weapon. As the female advanced on officers, she continued to point the shotgun at officers in a threatening manner and the two officers fired their service weapons, hitting the female," the police report said.

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To: muawiyah

Ooops! I did do a search under the headline title before posting, but got no results.

Sorry about the dupe everyone.


21 posted on 05/22/2010 6:11:11 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: driftdiver
Remember, the cops had knocked on the door. The man answered (gun in hand), but he put it down.

The officers at that point had no reasonable expectation of being shot and then she came in with a shotgun leveled at them. Standing there aiming it at police officers will almost always draw a response ~ even in your own home.

22 posted on 05/22/2010 6:22:18 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: bert

April 1 is the effective date. She counts.


23 posted on 05/22/2010 6:22:46 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: driftdiver
Your name, address and other items are hardly "private". The Congress was given authority by the Constitution to make laws useful to the taking of a census.

You really ought to read the document someday ~ absolutely incredible stuff in there.

24 posted on 05/22/2010 6:24:37 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

The point is the homeowners probably thought someone was trying to rob them. We dont know if she knew it was the cops and she probably had very little time to make the realization before they killed her.

The homeowners were doing nothing wrong.


25 posted on 05/22/2010 7:35:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: muawiyah

I’m quite confident I know more about the Constitution then you. Of course I will concede you know more about addresses and delivering mail then I do.

It is interesting to see you support BOs agenda with the census though.


26 posted on 05/22/2010 7:36:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot
A dead woman who did not want to answer questions. We all have to pick our battles, but this is tragic.

Then again, government workers are controlled by their need to control. I was visiting someone the other day when a very nice census worker rang the bell and asked the standard questions. The person I was visiting asked, "Why do I have to answer these questions again? I sent my forms back already." There was no ready answer - it was just something the census worker was asked to do and so she was doing it. She never questioned why she was doing what she was doing - 'just doing my job' starts small I suppose.
27 posted on 05/22/2010 7:46:52 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

They are probably also making a list of people who don’t like answering these questions.

Wonder what a dictator would use that list for? /s


28 posted on 05/22/2010 7:50:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It’s George Washington’s agenda. Obama is not bright enough to have one.


29 posted on 05/22/2010 11:19:24 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: driftdiver
The gentleman answered the door to the police. He knew. She was told. Read the story.

Anyone missing on FR?

30 posted on 05/22/2010 11:20:43 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

“It’s George Washington’s agenda. Obama is not bright enough to have one.”

Hardly George Washingtons agenda, that just shows your lack of knowledge of the founders.


31 posted on 05/22/2010 11:53:56 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
George Washington supported the Constitution. He led our military in the fight for independence. He became the first President, and the work of completing the analytical work to present the first census was done under him.

I am really surprised you haven't heard of him.

32 posted on 05/22/2010 3:18:56 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

What was his address? You might want to send a letter and ask. Because his version of the census was a population count. Not a count of peoples races, banking accounts and so forth.

But its still not surprising you support BOs agenda.


33 posted on 05/22/2010 3:21:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
You are clearly unaware of what was understood to be a census.

Frankly, the American Revolution was held, in part, to redress the question of taxation without representation (in Parliament or any other representative body of governance).

TO WIT: "He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only."

Obviously you can't "represent" unless you previously "count the people".

By the time the Constitution comes into existence, the former rebels explicitly set forth as a power of their federal government the requirement that it conduct a decennial census. They didn't stop at "may hold a census", they required it. In Marbury V. Madison, a major SCOTUS decision from the early days, it was ruled that the Constitution grants to Congress implied powers for implementing the Constitution's express powers, in order to create a functional national government.

What that means to us today is that the Founders required the federal government to conduct censuses. Secondly, that the SCOTUS determined that to do that Congress had the powers to write the legislation, and create the regulatory framework such that a census could be performed.

NOTE: John Marshall, who'd served first as a Lieutenant in the Culpeper Minute Men from 1775 to 1776, then as a Lieutenant in the Eleventh Virginia Continental Regiment from 1776 to 1780, is the guy who came up with the idea that the Congress could write laws to implement powers granted to them in the Constitution.

If you disagree with the thought may I encourage you to go argue it out with Chief Justice Marshall ~ as soon as possible in fact.

Although Marshall was a Federalist, his close friend Thomas Jefferson (founder of the Democrat party) managed the first census in 1790.

The Revolutionaries supported taking a census, and in fact DEMANDED THAT IT BE DONE ~ END OF THAT CLAIM OF YOURS to the contrary.

Now, did Congress have a right to do more than "count heads" ~ for instance, could they inquire of the status of slaves? That is, could Congress demand someone tell the census taker how many slaves they had? Could Congress demand their ages? How about asking their sex?

Could Congress ask if they were "colored", or "Indians", or "white" (initially inferred from the fact no other answer was made).

Getting back to my earliest point, the idea that government was REQUIRED to take a census was truly revolutionary. The first census wasn't perfect, but by the time the second census came around Congress had the idea and began adding things.

BTW, "adding things", literally "things" was an ordinary adjunct of government at the LOWEST LEVELS in the pioneer period. As Townships/Counties/Towns were established and taxing authorities set up, it was the common practice for the tax collectors to enumerate YOUR STUFF.

Nothing more American than that. Property taxes paid for government, and schools, and you could pay your taxes in trade, work or cash ~ but pay them you would, and based on your "wealth". No one in America was left unaccounted for when it came to that, and the local trustees had a record of what you owned and developed your taxes based on those records.

George Washington himself participated in such things. In fact, he early on asked for claimants from the late war (the Revolution) to send in their claims regarding lost property. The Oneida Indians, who had abominable losses in that war allied to the United States, filed for burned cabins, stolen ploughs, damaged harness, slaughtered horses, and so forth.

They developed the same sorts of property records for their claims that were usually developed so that local governments could assess taxes.

To say the Founders had no intention of "counting things" is, to say the least, TOTALLY BIZARRE!

34 posted on 05/22/2010 4:05:23 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

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35 posted on 05/24/2010 5:28:18 PM PDT by Therapsid (Communism has killed 50-60 Million people in only 50 yrs.)
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