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Why iAds will fail
iMedia Connection ^ | May 21, 2010 | Brandt Dainow

Posted on 05/21/2010 9:48:10 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 05/21/2010 9:48:10 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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Wow! What a load of ignorant of history FUD... PING!


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2 posted on 05/21/2010 9:51:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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Let's read what Mac Daily News' take is on this story:


Marketing consultant: ‘Apple’s iAd has no future, and neither does the iPhone or iPad’

Friday, May 21, 2010 - 11:24 AM EDT

"Apple's new iAd proposition has been generating a great deal of discussion lately, most of it positive, and most of it remarkably short-sighted. It seems most people, including Steve Jobs, have forgotten the basic lessons of computing and the internet. People who forget history are doomed to repeat it. The iAd has no future, and neither does the iPhone/iPad," Brandt Dainow, an independent web analytics and marketing consultant, writes for iMediaConnection.

MacDailyNews Take: Our iCal is havin' a par-tay!

Dainow continues, "Hardware manufacturers make their money by selling new phones. They have no interest in making phones that last forever, or that can be upgraded via software."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow, they do if their customers expect upgradeable devices, as nearly 100 million iPhone OS users do. Android settlers, not so much.

Dainow continues, "Smartphones, like all other computers, sell on the basis of what you can do with them. People buy IT equipment (laptop, PC, or mobile) on the basis of the applications they can run on it. The item purchased needs to be able to do what the customer wants it to. There are so many programs around for PCs today that this is rarely a consideration -- almost every conceivable application you could want is available. As a result we have largely forgotten that capabilities are central to sales. However, there are many instances in which purchasing a Mac is not an option because the required software does not exist, which shows that applications still control purchases."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow seems to not know, or has forgotten, that Apple Macs run everything, including Windows and Windows apps natively and/or via fast virtualization. Fact: Apple Macs run the world's largest software library, of which software written for Windows is but a subset.

Dainow continues, "So an operating system's success is dependent on being an attractive platform for developers. In order to be attractive, the operating system must have (or promise) a large installed base."

MacDailyNews Take: Wrong again, Mr. Dainow. In order to be attractive to developers, an operating system, or, more accurately, a platform, must be profitable. Period. Taken to an extreme, imagine Steve Jobs is the world's only Mac user. However, he spends $200 million on software per year. Guess what? Even with one Mac user, there would be Mac developers. Now, in reality,Apple Mac users are better educated and have more disposable income than Windows PC sufferers on average and Mac users buy significantly more software than their PC suffering counterparts. Therefore, Mr. Dainow's argument is flawed from the outset.

Dainow continues, "Apple's desire to control its marketplace has made it a poor choice for developers, even when it offers a large market. Having a large base of customers makes Apple initially attractive, but its poor support for the developer community eventually forces smaller niche players out. The long term result is easy to see -- Macintosh now runs Microsoft Office because no one else was interested in providing a compatible office suite. Apple's restrictive policies over the Mac almost caused the death of the Apple Corporation, and it was only by opening the environment to its arch-enemy Microsoft that Apple was able to survive."

MacDailyNews Take: Not this again. The iPod/iPhone/iPad is not the Mac, so stop comparing them:

iPhone isn't the Mac, so stop comparing them. To draw an analogy between the Mac and iPhone platforms simply highlights the writer's ignorance of the vast differences between the two business situations. Look at the iPod, not the Mac, to see how this will play out.

Google Android offers the same messy, inconsistent Windows PC "experience," but without any cost savings, real or perceived. Windows only thrived back in the mid-90s because PCs (and Macs) were so expensive; the upfront cost advantage roped in a lot of people, who were, frankly, ignorant followers who did what their similarly-ignorant co-workers and friends told them to do. Microsoft still coasts along on that momentum today.

The fact is: Apple's iPhone 3G costs just $99 and the 3GS goes for only $199 in the U.S. with a 2-year plan. I'd call any Android device the "Poor Man's iPhone," but you have to spend just as much, if not more, to partake in an increasingly fragmented and inferior platform. There's no real reason to choose Android, people settle for Android. "I'd have bought an iPhone if Verizon offered them." Just look what's happening in any country where iPhone is offered on multiple carriers. It's a bloodbath.

Apple offers consistency to developers of both software and hardware. Just look at the vibrant thrid-party accessories market for iPhone vs. the Zune-like handful of oddball items for Android. If you make a case or a vehicle mount, does it pay to make 14 different Android devices that number under 1 million each, or to make one or two for what's rapidly approaching 100 million iPhone/iPod touch devices? As Apple's iPhone expands onto more and more carriers, Android's only real selling point ("I'm stuck on Verizon or some other carrier that doesn't offer the iPhone") evaporates.
- SteveJack, MacDailyNews, December 23, 2009

And Microsoft introduced Office for Macintosh in 1989. Before any Windows version existed.

Dainow plods on, "Apple never joined in the universal move to PC compatibility. Based on the Motorola chip, Apple chose to cater to niche market players with hobby computers such as the Apple II. Apple's day came later when it copied the GUI operating system being developed by Xerox and created the first Mac. The GUI posed a threat to Microsoft's survival and the dominance of the PC, until Microsoft got its own GUI right with Windows 3.0. Microsoft's strategy was always to open its platform to the widest possible developer community, while Apple's was always to restrict and control. In many ways, Steve Jobs continued to think in terms of the world he grew up in, a pre-PC world -- each computer manufacturer producing its own operating system and strongly controlling developer access."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow, Apple did not "copy" the GUI from Xerox. To state so only highlights your ignorance. You might just as well have written, "I do not know what I'm talking about, so here's five pages of my disjointed, illogical theories." For anyone who cares, the real story, as told by the people who lived it, is right here.

Dainow continues, "Right now the iPhone has a dominating position in the U.S. smartphone marketplace. However, we must recognize this is a global village. Apple cannot sustain the iPhone as a purely U.S. phenomena."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow, please explain this: Apple dominates Japan’s smartphone market with 72% market share; sales tripled in latest quarter - May 19, 2010. Hello, Mr. Dainow? Paging Mr. Dainow...

Dainow continues, "If the smartphone goes the way of previous computers, and the way of the internet, Apple's strategy will eventually lead to the iPhone occupying a similar niche to the Mac -- a miniscule market share sustained only by the fanatical loyalty of dedicated followers."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow, the operative word in your statement is "if." And it won't, for the reasons we've explained above; not to mention that, four pages in, you haven't yet been right about anything.

Dainow continues, "Steve Jobs says he hates Adobe Flash and will not support it on iPhone. The reason is clear -- Flash provides a cross-platform development system. Build an app in Flash and it runs on every operating system that supports Flash."

MacDailyNews Take: For the umpteenth time: We do not want ported software on our iPhones, iPads, and iPod touches. The type of "write once, deploy everywhere" software that lazy Adobe wants to "help" developers to excrete results in lowest common denominator apps that fail to take advantage of individual platforms' strengths. Rather than see developers create great experiences by playing to the strengths of individual platforms, lazy Adobe, and Mr. Dainow it seems, instead want mediocrity everywhere. Adobe just wants to control the tools developers use to poop out cookie-cutter apps that fail to inspire users because they fail to take advantage of each platform's unique hardware and operating system features.

Dainow continues, "Locking Flash out is unsustainable if you want to retain market share."

MacDailyNews Take: Is this guy serious?

Dainow continues, "When I look at the lessons of history, Apple's own past, and how things work out, it seems to me inevitable that within 5-10 years the iPhone will hold around 5 percent of the smartphone market at best."

MacDailyNews Take: Seriously, our iCal might have just audibly sighed. Not sure if it was satisfaction, consternation, or something else.

Dainow continues, "iAd is just a second-rate widget. Calling iAd creations 'advertisements' is misleading. iAd advertisements are, in reality, widgets... The iAd is a symptom of Apple's inability to come to terms with the way computing has been for the last 30 years. While designing innovative products, as a business Apple still strategizes like it's the 1970s -- trying to create isolated ecosystems when everyone else knows the world wants one big open inter-connected system."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow offers no proof of that statement either. At least he's consistent. We have about 100 million reasons and rapidly growing that proves that Dainow's wrongly-described "isolated ecosystem" hasn't dissuaded "the world" from accepting the iPhone platform. Really, how can you call a platform "isolated" when it's connected to the Web, has over 200,000 apps made and supported by tens of thousands of developers and supports a flourishing ecosystem of third-party accessories, including mass market vehicle and electronics makers? Mr. Dainow's arguments are illogical and incoherent.

Dainow continues, "Apple seems wedded to the idea that it can own all aspects of its customer experience, even though its own corporate history shows this is unsustainable. The smartphone environment is a mirror of the early days of personal computing, yet Apple shows no sign of having learned from this experience."

MacDailyNews Take: Mr. Dainow, you're wrong and your attempt to compare two dissimilar things in order to try to predict the future is just plain silly.

Full article — click away, as we've linked to Dainow's "print article" page that not only has his five rambling pages combined into one, but (whoopsie Mr. Marketing Consultant!) also has no ads grinhere.


3 posted on 05/21/2010 9:55:52 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
Why iAds will fail

I hear they're working on a vaccine.

4 posted on 05/21/2010 9:59:17 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: humblegunner
I hear they're working on a vaccine.

GREAT RESPONSE!!!!

5 posted on 05/21/2010 10:03:38 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

bump for later reading.


6 posted on 05/21/2010 10:09:27 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Swordmaker
almost every conceivable application you could want is available.

Not so sure that is a great statement. I know we software developers are a smart lot, but somehow, I think there may be some more apps coming...just a guess.

7 posted on 05/21/2010 10:13:47 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

The wireless sync app was declined.


8 posted on 05/21/2010 10:15:28 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Swordmaker
" People buy IT equipment (laptop, PC, or mobile) on the basis of the applications they can run on it."

Or because, like the raven, they're attracted to shiny objects.


9 posted on 05/21/2010 10:20:20 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Swordmaker
Brandt Dainow: "Everybody, lookee at me! I'm so much smarter than Steve Jobs that he's just a bilionaire and the world's most innovative CEO -- and I'm a jenyoowine "consultant" who has written a whole article full of worthless opinions and FUD!"
10 posted on 05/21/2010 10:40:16 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Or because, like the raven, they're attracted to shiny objects.

Interesting that your comment is the exact opposite of the truth. People buy PCs because of what they do. People buy Macs because of what they represent.

11 posted on 05/21/2010 11:08:15 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: BubbaBasher
On the basis that any joke you have to explain, wasn't a joke — I would say that my attempt at humour flopped.

The author's thesis is that people buy IT equipment for its utility & that the iPads etc. will fail because of that. I was just pointing out that there's a certain amount of raven in most IT buyers — and that's part of what attracts them to the latest Apple offerings. We're essentially saying the exact same thing.

12 posted on 05/21/2010 11:36:19 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: BubbaBasher; USFRIENDINVICTORIA
You were saying ...

Interesting that your comment is the exact opposite of the truth. People buy PCs because of what they do. People buy Macs because of what they represent.

Very true! :-)

Another variation on this "theme" is that people only buy things because "marketing" tells them to do so ... LOL ...

Good grief! Some go off on this "marketing mantra" that the only thing that Apple has going for it is simply "marketing" (as that's the only thing that Apple is good at) and they sell lousy products, which don't work right and are the worst products you can ever get.

In fact, some of these people who say that, apparently think that a company can "market like crazy" for the last decade and no one will ever get a clue that they've been sold crappy products for the last decade ... LOL ...

I think I know who the "crazy people" are in "this story" -- it's the ones who hold to this "magic marketing prowess" of Apple ...

For example, here's a features list for the recent Apple iPad. Heck! There are people who can probably use this as their only computer and need no other one around ... (and with many people, having a desktop is "overkill" for them and what they do).



Apple iPad Features


Watch the iPad video

All of the built-in apps on iPad were designed from the ground up to take advantage of the large Multi-Touch screen and advanced capabilities of iPad. And they work in any orientation. So you can do things with these apps that you can’t do on any other device.

Safari

iPad is the best way to experience the web. View whole pages in portrait or landscape on the large Multi-Touch screen. And let your fingers do the surfing. Learn more

Mail

There’s nothing like the Mail app on iPad. With a split-screen view and expansive onscreen keyboard, it lets you see and touch your email in ways you never could before. Learn more

Photos

A vivid LED-backlit IPS display makes viewing photos on iPad extraordinary. Open albums with a tap. Flip through your pictures one by one. Or play a slideshow and share your photos. Learn more

Videos

The 9.7-inch high-resolution screen makes iPad perfect for watching HD movies, TV shows, podcasts, music videos, and more. Learn more

YouTube

With the YouTube app designed specifically for iPad, videos are even easier to find. And on the amazing iPad display, they’re more fun to watch. Especially in HD. Learn more

iPod

Reach out and touch your songs. View your album art full-size. iPad makes music look as good as it sounds. Learn more

iTunes

Millions of songs, thousands of movies and TV shows, and so much more. Browsing and buying are just a tap away. Learn more

App Store

You’ll find more than 150,000 apps on the App Store, and iPad can run almost all of them. Including everything from games to productivity apps. Learn more

iBooks

Reading is a joy on iPad. Text looks crisp and bright. Pages turn with a flick. And you can buy new books from the iBookstore. Just download the free iBooks app to get started.1 Learn more

Maps

See more of the world with iPad. Find locations easier than ever with street view, satellite view, or new terrain view — all using Google services. Learn more

Notes

With its large display and onscreen keyboard, iPad makes it easy to jot down quick notes and keep important information on hand. You can even email yourself reminders. Learn more

Calendar

Work, home, and everything in between. Your schedules are easy to read and easy to manage on iPad — even all at once. Learn more

Contacts

With Contacts on iPad, you can see much more than just names and numbers. And you can do more with them, too. Learn more

Home Screen

With just one press of the Home button, you have access to every app on your iPad. Learn more

Spotlight Search

No matter what you’re looking for, Spotlight Search can help you find it. Learn more

Accessibility

Universal access is built into iPad. So right out of the box, Apple makes it easy for people with disabilities to enjoy all that iPad has to offer. Learn more

iWork

The iWork productivity applications that you know and love on the Mac — Keynote, Pages, and Numbers — have been completely redesigned for iPad.2 So you can create great-looking presentations, documents, and spreadsheets. All using just your fingers. And while they’re easy to use, they’re also the most powerful productivity apps ever built for a mobile device.

Keynote

Create a presentation with custom graphic styles, elegantly designed themes, stunning animations and effects, and powerful new features designed just for iPad. Learn more

Pages

Pages has everything you need to put your words into beautiful documents. Including Apple-designed templates and easy-to-use formatting tools. Learn more

Numbers

Numbers includes over 250 easy-to-use functions, an intelligent keyboard, flexible tables, and eye-catching charts. So you can create compelling spreadsheets in just a few taps. Learn more

13 posted on 05/21/2010 11:44:13 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
There are people who can probably use this as their only computer and need no other one around ...

All I had to do was watch my 67 year old sister go to town on her new iPad. Any one who watches something like this, know who Apple targeted with this device.

I have to work on her computer remotely, hopefully after we get her synced and backed up, my services will no longer be required.

Poll 1 in five plan to buy iPad.

14 posted on 05/21/2010 12:23:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Star Traveler
I wouldn't say Apple's products are crap. They're just always over priced, over hyped and sometimes under powered. The iPad happens to be all of the above. I'm sure Apple will fix the problems and raise the price. Then all of the lemmings that bought the current iPad will run out and shell out more money for the new version.

I'm also not saying that Apple is the only one to do this.

15 posted on 05/21/2010 1:09:44 PM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: BubbaBasher
You were saying ...

They're just always over priced ...

Well, according to discussions here on Free Republic... (on other threads and on other items) -- they can't be overpriced ... LOL ...

I mean, when people buy them in those kind of quantities and blow away everyone's predictions (from "total failure" to even the most optimistic outlook for sales) -- that's not "overpriced" ... :-)

BUT, of course, the "comeback" to the fact that -- "they can't be overpriced, because of how wildly they are selling to the consumer" -- the answer is "Oh well..., that's just because of Apple's marketing!" ... [are there people who really believe that for "products" ... :-) ...]

Silly people... marketing can't make up for bad products over-priced products and products that don't have everything that people want -- they will fail. And they can't be overpriced, or they wouldn't sell like crazy ...

And..., there ya go ... :-)

16 posted on 05/21/2010 1:22:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Swordmaker

I kind of tagged along until he unloaded on Objective-C. Objective-C isn’t any worse than Java and is only ineffective for an ad agency who doesn’t want to pay a developer. Graphic artists and Flash hacks are cheaper. All the thousands of apps on the iPhone/iPad/iPod are written in Objective-C.

He’s wrong also wrong about Jobs’ goals. Jobs like Google look to unseat Microsoft and aids Google in HTML5 support. But the Google partnership is tenuous because Jobs wants their ads business too.

HTML 5 is a lot more stable than is suggested, too.

Fun times.


17 posted on 05/21/2010 1:39:07 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Star Traveler
Silly people... marketing can't make up for bad products over-priced products and products that don't have everything that people want -- they will fail. And they can't be overpriced, or they wouldn't sell like crazy ...

For most people that would be true but there is a certain percentage of the population that doesn't care. Apple customers will buy anything Apple puts out regardless of the price or the quality. Harley-Davidson buyers are exactly the same. HD makes junk and grotesquely over charges because their customers will buy anything they make. Except for maybe the V-Rod but that went against everything Harley stood for.

Apple and Harley-Davidson are both considered cult brands.

18 posted on 05/21/2010 1:53:22 PM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: BubbaBasher
You were saying ...

For most people that would be true but there is a certain percentage of the population that doesn't care. Apple customers will buy anything Apple puts out regardless of the price or the quality.

If you were talking about 12 years ago, approximately, then you would be talking about a "real Apple/Macintosh group" of people. But, I can tell you for sure, now ... that those people don't even come close to a majority any more. There have been so many new people coming in, that the "Apple group" doesn't exist any more. These are people who are new and more coming in all the time.

For example, the Apple Retail stores show that their sales are at least 50% to non-Apple users before. That's been going on for a long time. These people are those who have "jumped ship" to the Apple brand. I'll guarantee you, that coming from another platform and other products (whether computer or phone or music player), they would "jump right back again" -- if their expectations were not met.

I think you're about one decade too late for that argument ... :-)

19 posted on 05/21/2010 3:14:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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20 posted on 05/21/2010 4:59:11 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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