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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile.
1 posted on 05/19/2010 4:51:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
CAMPAIGN IN THE WEST, 1940, Situation 21 May, and Operations Since 16 May
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941 – The Imperial Powers, 1 September 1939
2 posted on 05/19/2010 4:52:21 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I really love this thread and daily look forward to it but I do have a question. How does one actually gain access to these archives?
Once again, thanks Homer.


7 posted on 05/19/2010 5:21:42 AM PDT by Larry381 (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt)
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I’m not so sure that putting Petain in the government is going to be a good thing...


9 posted on 05/19/2010 5:42:43 AM PDT by Alan Rumack
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

They’re way off [by about a third] on the number of Panzers. And no German tank in 1940 had larger than a 37mm AT gun [Mark III].

The only tank anywhere near what they’re describing is the Mark IV [34 tons]. But it had an infantry support , low velocity short-barreled 75. It would, eventually be upgunned to a long barrelled, high velocity 75mm AT gun [the Mark III would get a 50mm], but guns larger [or longer] than that would not appear until the Tiger I, and the Panther.


10 posted on 05/19/2010 5:45:38 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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This news is very interesting because [8 words censored] while I’m not able to catch it every single day I [3 words censored] it more than catches my imagination.

heh


11 posted on 05/19/2010 6:00:14 AM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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Where did that story about 80-ton “mammoths” Nazi tanks come from? The heaviest tank employed was the Panzer IV which weighed 27.6 tons (assumnig the ton is referred to is 2,000 pounds).


12 posted on 05/19/2010 6:01:03 AM PDT by C19fan
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I love the maps. I would sit as a kid and just read the Atlas, looking for the names of places I heard on the news or read in books. It is a shame there is not more of that for our kids today. They have no sense of geography, or the history of “places.” It is so important.


27 posted on 05/19/2010 6:29:02 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (This nation, of the people, by the people, and for the people has perished from the land.)
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I found it ironic that the Gamelin article refers to the breakthrough at Sedan as “the battle of the bulge”. Also notice that they mention Gamelin’s escape from the German’s in the World War I. This will not be his last escape from German custody.

It looks like Daladier has been pretty much cycled out of action. Not surprising considering the Reynaud and Daladier could not agree on overall strategy. I’m not sure that bringing Petain in will fix things though. I seem to remember that he was brought in during The Great War after French troops basically went on strike and refused to return to their trenches (imagine if the German’s had known this). Petain took over for Nivelle and immediate took up a defensive strategy for the French lines. Defense is what they have been doing up to this point and it’s not working.


31 posted on 05/19/2010 10:07:27 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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Today Prime Minister Winston Churchill gives his first official speech.

BBC - Winston Churchill's First Speech as Prime Minister

I speak to you for the first time as Prime Minister in a solemn hour for the life of our country, of our empire, of our allies, and, above all, of the cause of Freedom. A tremendous battle is raging in France and Flanders. The Germans, by a remarkable combination of air bombing and heavily armored tanks, have broken through the French defenses north of the Maginot Line, and strong columns of their armored vehicles are ravaging the open country, which for the first day or two was without defenders. They have penetrated deeply and spread alarm and confusion in their track. Behind them there are now appearing infantry in lorries, and behind them, again, the large masses are moving forward. The re-groupment of the French armies to make head against, and also to strike at, this intruding wedge has been proceeding for several days, largely assisted by the magnificent efforts of the Royal Air Force.

We must not allow ourselves to be intimidated by the presence of these armored vehicles in unexpected places behind our lines. If they are behind our Front, the French are also at many points fighting actively behind theirs. Both sides are therefore in an extremely dangerous position. And if the French Army, and our own Army, are well handled, as I believe they will be; if the French retain that genius for recovery and counter-attack for which they have so long been famous; and if the British Army shows the dogged endurance and solid fighting power of which there have been so many examples in the past -- then a sudden transformation of the scene might spring into being.

It would be foolish, however, to disguise the gravity of the hour. It would be still more foolish to lose heart and courage or to suppose that well-trained, well-equipped armies numbering three or four millions of men can be overcome in the space of a few weeks, or even months, by a scoop, or raid of mechanized vehicles, however formidable. We may look with confidence to the stabilization of the Front in France, and to the general engagement of the masses, which will enable the qualities of the French and British soldiers to be matched squarely against those of their adversaries. For myself, I have invincible confidence in the French Army and its leaders. Only a very small part of that splendid Army has yet been heavily engaged; and only a very small part of France has yet been invaded. There is a good evidence to show that practically the whole of the specialized and mechanized forces of the enemy have been already thrown into the battle; and we know that very heavy losses have been inflict upon them. No officer or man, no brigade or division, which grapples at close quarters with the enemy, wherever encountered, can fail to make a worthy contribution to the general result. the Armies must cast away the idea of resisting attacks behind concrete lines or natural obstacles, and must realize that mastery can only be regained by furious and unrelenting assault. And this spirit must not only animate the High Command, but must inspire every fighting man.

In the air -- often at serious odds, often at odds, hitherto thought overwhelming -- we have been clawing down three or four to one of our enemies; and the relative balance of the British and German Air Forces is now considerably more favorable to us than at the beginning of the battle. In cutting down the German bombers, we are fighting our own battle as well as that of France. My confidence in our ability to fight it out to the finish with the German Air Force has been strengthened by the fierce encounters which have taken place and are taking place. At the same time, our heavy bombers are striking nightly at the tap-root of German mechanized power, and have already inflicted serious damage upon the oil refineries on which the Nazi effort to dominate the world directly depends.

We must expect that as soon as stability is reached on the Western Front, the bulk of that hideous apparatus of aggression which gashed Holland into ruin and slavery in a few days will be turned upon us. I am sure I speak for all when I say we are ready to face it; to endure it; and to retaliate against it -- to any extent that the unwritten laws of war permit. There will be many men and many women in this Island who when the ordeal comes upon them, as come it will, will feel comfort, and even a pride, that they are sharing the perils of our lads at the Front -- soldiers, sailors and airmen, God bless them -- and are drawing away from them a part at least of the onslaught they have to bear. Is not this the appointed time for all to make the utmost exertions in their power? If the battle is to be won, we must provide our men with ever-increasing quantities of the weapons and ammunition they need. We must have, and have quickly, more aeroplanes, more tanks, more shells, more guns.Tthere is imperious need for these vital munitions. They increase our strength against the powerfully armed enemy. They replace the wastage of the obstinate struggle; and the knowledge that wastage will speedily be replaced enables us to draw more readily upon our reserves and throw them in now that everything counts so much.

Our task is not only to win the battle - but to win the war. After this battle in France abates its force, there will come the battle for our Island -- for all that Britain is, and all that Britain means. That will be the struggle. In that supreme emergency we shall not hesitate to take every step, even the most drastic, to call forth from our people the last ounce and the last inch of effort of which they are capable. The interests of property, the hours of labor, are nothing compared with the struggle of life and honor, for right and freedom, to which we have vowed ourselves.

I have received from the Chiefs of the French Republic, and in particular form its indomitable Prime Minister, M. Reynaud, the most sacred pledges that whatever happens they will fight to the end, be it bitter or be it glorious. Nay, if we fight to the end, it can only be glorious.

Having received His Majesty's commission, I have formed an Administration of men and women of every Party and of almost every point of view. We have differed and quarreled in the past; but now one bond unites us all -- to wage war until victory is won, and never to surrender ourselves to servitude and shame, whatever the cost and the agony may be. this is one of the most awe-striking periods in the long history of France and Britain. It is also beyond doubt the most sublime. Side by side, unaided except by their kith and kin in the great Dominions and by the wide empires which rest beneath their shield - side by side, the British and French peoples have advanced to rescue not only Europe but mankind from the foulest and most soul-destroying tyranny which has ever darkened and stained the pages of history. Behind them - behind us- behind the Armies and Fleets of Britain and France - gather a group of shattered States and bludgeoned races: the Czechs, the Poles, the Norwegians, the Danes, the Dutch, the Belgians - upon all of whom the long night of barbarism will descend, unbroken even by a star of hope, unless we conquer, as conquer we must; as conquer we shall.

Today is Trinity Sunday. Centuries ago words were written to be a call and a spur to the faithful servants of Truth and Justice: "Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar. As the Will of God is in Heaven, even so let it be."

32 posted on 05/19/2010 10:10:16 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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